New firmware posted May 8, 2009 - Page 4

RC Man · May 16, 2009, 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smewr

I've got the new CC software in my Trex 500 Heli,, (CC80) I'd like to get 2650 rpm like the manual says is max... Now, with the new software and my usual 13t pinion, I'm only good for 2437 rpm...I doubt thats enough for a T500. A 14t pinion would do the trick according to the software -- anybody tried this combo? I'm concerned it would stress my stock motor/2500MaH batt. Thanks !!!!

The new software does not actually restrict you from setting a higher headspeed it just suggests that it might not be the best. You can set 2650 anyway with the 13t pinion. Do some max collective climbouts, if the LED comes on solid them you running at 100% and not governing the headspeed. If the LED flickers but is not solid on than you are good to go. I do that kind of testing early in the morning or late in the evening so it’s easier to see the LED.

smewr · May 16, 2009, 09:15 PM

Thanks for the info !!!!!!!

Spidious · May 16, 2009, 11:08 PM

Oh nice...I got my 12t pinion today and can set mine up for 1650-1700-1750 rpm range now ! Tomorrow it shouldn't be windy so I can actually test it out !

genexis · May 17, 2009, 11:37 AM

tested on:

Raptor E600
15S A123
Scorpion 4035/500
12T pinion
headspeed 2100
flight time 6 mins

It works flawlessly

Gov gain at norm (15)

Raydee · May 17, 2009, 02:27 PM

I finally bought a HV110 now that Castle got the gov ironed out. I will be testing it on my Logo 500 next week.

rcboosted · May 18, 2009, 02:27 AM

I've got a Protos and a 85HV on 6S. This weekend I decided to give the new governor a try and I used the set rpm mode. Set up was super easy, and the rpm was pretty much dead on verified with an optical tach. No more running back and forth to tach the HS and changing the throttle curve. But I've got a question on the gain. If I do a quick pitch pump then return to hover stick position, I can hear the HS surge a little. Initially I had the gain set to 15, so I thought maybe I need to bump it up to 25 thinking it's too slow to respond. But at 25, it seems to be doing the same thing. Should keep increasing the gain or should I lower it? I can't tell if it's "lagging" or "oscillating" like the tips are suggesting.

Main gear 93T, running 16T pinion and set for 2700rpm. Scorpion 880kv motor.

RC Man · May 18, 2009, 06:05 AM

The way that I set it up is to keep increasing the gain until I hear it oscillating in forward flight then back it off a little. It’s similar to the procedure that you use setting gyro gain.

If you look at how a governor works it has to detect a slight under speed to increase and a slight over speed to decrease power. You are always going to have a little surging with pitch pumps but more gain will help.

worldofmaya · May 18, 2009, 08:45 AM

I'm running a HK4025-740kV with HV85 on 12s A123 in my Logo 600 VBar with outrunner timing and gov mode with great success! Two thumbs up for CC

-klaus

RC Man · May 18, 2009, 09:07 AM

Has anyone tested the new governor with a 700-720 size helicopter?

rcboosted · May 18, 2009, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RC Man

The way that I set it up is to keep increasing the gain until I hear it oscillating in forward flight then back it off a little. It’s similar to the procedure that you use setting gyro gain.

If you look at how a governor works it has to detect a slight under speed to increase and a slight over speed to decrease power. You are always going to have a little surging with pitch pumps but more gain will help.

So what does oscillation sound like? I did hear an oscillatin, but I wasn't sure if that's the tail or the main rotor. If I just go full positive from the ground, I can hear a quick oscillation at maybe 4hz. I figure the HS can't change that fast, so I thought that's from the tail. You think that could be the gov. gain too high?

diver don · May 18, 2009, 12:08 PM

Dd!

RC Man · May 18, 2009, 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rcboosted

So what does oscillation sound like? I did hear an oscillatin, but I wasn't sure if that's the tail or the main rotor. If I just go full positive from the ground, I can hear a quick oscillation at maybe 4hz. I figure the HS can't change that fast, so I thought that's from the tail. You think that could be the gov. gain too high?

On my helicopter I can hear a chirping noise from the gears during a fly-by. I have found that it helps to turn down the tail gyro gain so that will not cause an oscillation. After the governor gain is set then you can gradually turn up the gyro gain.

rcboosted · May 18, 2009, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RC Man

On my helicopter I can hear a chirping noise from the gears during a fly-by. I have found that it helps to turn down the tail gyro gain so that will not cause an oscillation. After the governor gain is set then you can gradually turn up the gyro gain.

Good ideas, I will give these a try. Thanks.

garytskuah · May 20, 2009, 10:26 AM

Hi, I would like some recommendation too on my set-up. previously had the old firmware and couldn't get rid of the tail osilation. until i set gov gain at 2, but still have a little fast wag on tail. now hope this new software can solve my problem. here's my new set-up on my CC85HV. on my trex600 ESP.

Trex 600 - Scorpion 740KV(18t) with CC85HV

Brake Strength: 0
Brake Delay: .6 sec (Delayed) (*)
Brake Ramp: soft (*)
Current Limiting: Insensitive
Cutoff Voltage: Auto Li-Po (*)
Cutoff Type: Soft Cutoff
Motor Start Power: 59
Motor Timing: 5(*)
Direction: Forward (*)
PWM Rate: 8 Khz
Vehicle Type: Helicopter
Throttle Type: Governor Mode
Throttle Response: 5
Governor Gain: 25
Initial Spool-Up Rate: 5
Head Speed Change Rate: 5
Auto Rotate Enabled: False
Governor Mode Type: Set RPM mode
Vehicle Setup - Battery Type: LiPo
Vehicle Setup - Number of Cells: 8
Vehicle Setup - Pinion: 18
Vehicle Setup - Spur: 170
Vehicle Setup - Motor Kv: 740
Vehicle Setup - Motor Number of Poles: 8
Desired Head Speed 1: 2100
Desired Head Speed 2: 2100
Desired Head Speed 3: 2200

Spidious · May 20, 2009, 09:23 PM

Here is mine now !

Swift 16 w/ "Z" 800 12t pinion and 60cc esc

################################################## #####
# Castle Link Data File
# Created: Monday, May 18, 2009
# Do Not Edit This File By Hand
################################################## #####
Hex55: 85
Brake Strength: 0
Brake Delay: .6 sec (Delayed) (*)
Brake Ramp: Immediate (*)
Cutoff Type: Soft Cutoff
Motor Start Power: 59
Direction: Reverse
PWM Rate: 12 Khz (*)
Vehicle Type: Helicopter
Throttle Type: Governor Mode
Throttle Response: 5
Governor Gain: 16
Initial Spool-Up Rate: 3
Head Speed Change Rate: 5
Auto Rotate Enabled: True
Governor Mode Type: Fixed
Vehicle Setup - Battery Type: LiPo
Vehicle Setup - Number of Cells: 6
Vehicle Setup - Battery Voltage: 22.2000
Vehicle Setup - Gear Ratio: 8.000
Vehicle Setup - Motor Kv: 800
Vehicle Setup - Motor Number of Poles: 10
Desired Head Speed 1: 1701
Desired Head Speed 2: 1701
Desired Head Speed 3: 1701
Current Limiting: Insensitive
Cutoff Voltage: 180
Motor Timing: 5
Power-On Beep: Enabled (*)
Auto-Lipo Volts/Cell: 3.0 Volts/Cell (*)

May 16, 2009, 11:08 PM	#48
Spidious Yes that is my Agusta A109 Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: By Horizon, Hobbico & Advantage Hobbies ! Posts: 3,554	Oh nice...I got my 12t pinion today and can set mine up for 1650-1700-1750 rpm range now ! Tomorrow it shouldn't be windy so I can actually test it out ! Last edited by Spidious; May 23, 2009 at 09:58 PM. Reason: ZPunched in wrong size pinion, surprised none of you guys caught it !

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rcboosted Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,420	I've got a Protos and a 85HV on 6S. This weekend I decided to give the new governor a try and I used the set rpm mode. Set up was super easy, and the rpm was pretty much dead on verified with an optical tach. No more running back and forth to tach the HS and changing the throttle curve. But I've got a question on the gain. If I do a quick pitch pump then return to hover stick position, I can hear the HS surge a little. Initially I had the gain set to 15, so I thought maybe I need to bump it up to 25 thinking it's too slow to respond. But at 25, it seems to be doing the same thing. Should keep increasing the gain or should I lower it? I can't tell if it's "lagging" or "oscillating" like the tips are suggesting. Main gear 93T, running 16T pinion and set for 2700rpm. Scorpion 880kv motor.

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RC Man A man with too many helicopter Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Illinois Posts: 10,713	The way that I set it up is to keep increasing the gain until I hear it oscillating in forward flight then back it off a little. It’s similar to the procedure that you use setting gyro gain. If you look at how a governor works it has to detect a slight under speed to increase and a slight over speed to decrease power. You are always going to have a little surging with pitch pumps but more gain will help.

May 18, 2009, 08:45 AM	#53
worldofmaya Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 23	I'm running a HK4025-740kV with HV85 on 12s A123 in my Logo 600 VBar with outrunner timing and gov mode with great success! Two thumbs up for CC -klaus

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RC Man A man with too many helicopter Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Illinois Posts: 10,713	Has anyone tested the new governor with a 700-720 size helicopter?

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diver don "Each Day Is A Lesson" Join Date: May 2004 Location: Goldsboro, NC Posts: 2,426	Dd!

May 20, 2009, 10:26 AM	#59
garytskuah Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 16	Hi, I would like some recommendation too on my set-up. previously had the old firmware and couldn't get rid of the tail osilation. until i set gov gain at 2, but still have a little fast wag on tail. now hope this new software can solve my problem. here's my new set-up on my CC85HV. on my trex600 ESP. Trex 600 - Scorpion 740KV(18t) with CC85HV Brake Strength: 0 Brake Delay: .6 sec (Delayed) () Brake Ramp: soft () Current Limiting: Insensitive Cutoff Voltage: Auto Li-Po () Cutoff Type: Soft Cutoff Motor Start Power: 59 Motor Timing: 5() Direction: Forward (*) PWM Rate: 8 Khz Vehicle Type: Helicopter Throttle Type: Governor Mode Throttle Response: 5 Governor Gain: 25 Initial Spool-Up Rate: 5 Head Speed Change Rate: 5 Auto Rotate Enabled: False Governor Mode Type: Set RPM mode Vehicle Setup - Battery Type: LiPo Vehicle Setup - Number of Cells: 8 Vehicle Setup - Pinion: 18 Vehicle Setup - Spur: 170 Vehicle Setup - Motor Kv: 740 Vehicle Setup - Motor Number of Poles: 8 Desired Head Speed 1: 2100 Desired Head Speed 2: 2100 Desired Head Speed 3: 2200

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Spidious Yes that is my Agusta A109 Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: By Horizon, Hobbico & Advantage Hobbies ! Posts: 3,554	Here is mine now ! Swift 16 w/ "Z" 800 12t pinion and 60cc esc ################################################## ##### # Castle Link Data File # Created: Monday, May 18, 2009 # Do Not Edit This File By Hand ################################################## ##### Hex55: 85 Brake Strength: 0 Brake Delay: .6 sec (Delayed) () Brake Ramp: Immediate () Cutoff Type: Soft Cutoff Motor Start Power: 59 Direction: Reverse PWM Rate: 12 Khz () Vehicle Type: Helicopter Throttle Type: Governor Mode Throttle Response: 5 Governor Gain: 16 Initial Spool-Up Rate: 3 Head Speed Change Rate: 5 Auto Rotate Enabled: True Governor Mode Type: Fixed Vehicle Setup - Battery Type: LiPo Vehicle Setup - Number of Cells: 6 Vehicle Setup - Battery Voltage: 22.2000 Vehicle Setup - Gear Ratio: 8.000 Vehicle Setup - Motor Kv: 800 Vehicle Setup - Motor Number of Poles: 10 Desired Head Speed 1: 1701 Desired Head Speed 2: 1701 Desired Head Speed 3: 1701 Current Limiting: Insensitive Cutoff Voltage: 180 Motor Timing: 5 Power-On Beep: Enabled () Auto-Lipo Volts/Cell: 3.0 Volts/Cell (*)