New firmware posted May 8, 2009 - Page 3

RC Man · May 11, 2009, 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Sanford

From what I understand, some older hardware versions are not capable of the newest software. There is no upgrade path for them other than replacement. I have an old Phoenix 80 that is like this.

Bill

Bill,
You still have to send it in and see if they can upgrade. If not they will send you a new ESC. Looks that would $55 for a Phoenix 80 http://www.castlecreations.com/support.html

It just depends on if you are happy with what you have or want to be able to use the latest software and features.

Bill Sanford · May 11, 2009, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RC Man

Bill,
You still have to send it in and see if they can upgrade. If not they will send you a new ESC. Looks that would $55 for a Phoenix 80 http://www.castlecreations.com/support.html

It just depends on if you are happy with what you have or want to be able to use the latest software and features.

Yup, $55 isn't a bad deal to get a new ESC with all the new features!

Castle is a great company and will continue to be my only ESC supplier, especially now that they have solved the governor issue!

Bill

Joe Ford · May 11, 2009, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spidious

It says my head speed is to low to be governed ? Even if I set it all the way up to 4000, it still says the same thing ?

I am running a 800 kv motor 10t pinion and a 6S battery. So at 87% efficiency it would have a head speed of 1610 92% of 1702. SO how the heck could it be to low to be gov ? I have set the one gov setting still at 2 even though it says default is 7.

Need to see the rest of the information...mainly motor and gearing information. Bring both that main screen up, and the gearing screen...drag gearing screen over a little and hit "PrtScn" (print screen), then go to MS Paint, paste it, save it, and then post it here.

Need to see the rest of the information...mainly motor and gearing information. Bring both that main screen up, and the gearing screen...drag gearing screen over a little and hit "PrtScn" (print screen), then go to MS Paint, paste it, save it, and then post it here.

Quote:

Originally Posted by WimH

Downloaded on 2 pc's . Highest Phoenix firmware I have is still 1.56beta. No sign of versions 2.0 nor 2.11. What gives???

The guys are correct. F221 processor version controllers will not have the ability to upgrade to the latest software. As mentioned you can send the ESC in and for the flat rate repair fee we'll update you with a brand new ESC. See this page for pricing for all controllers. http://www.castlecreations.com/support.html

EDIT:

Guys, make SURE you have this screen. Shows the latest version installed on the computer, and what is loaded on your ESC above (grayed out).

WimH · May 11, 2009, 04:36 PM

there 's no need for an upgrade, just wondering...

Joe Ford · May 11, 2009, 05:09 PM

Guys...just because it's giving you a headspeed error does NOT mean that it won't try to do that headspeed. Click on the info button to the right. It tells you why it can't go up that high, but it does NOT mean that it won't try to do it. Just wanted to clarify that. There is NOTHING different about this than the old version other than we give you more info on why it WON'T WORK.

zguy · May 11, 2009, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zguy

Any new instructions or guidelines to best set up the new governor?

I had asked this a few days ago.

Can you please explain in detail how to best set the optimal governor gain?

Any way to test if it's too high or low? I heard talk of some sort of feedback sound being implemented in a future version. Any advice is appreciated!

Spidious · May 11, 2009, 06:58 PM

Duh I put the pinion/main gear numbers in the wrong section (backwards ) !
Put it in correct and now have a 1580 rpm setting with a gov of 7.
Going outside now to see just how well it works..

OK

Tried it at gov setting of 7 to slow response, but rock solid tail.
Set to 21 ! twitchy, so set it down to 15. Seems OK now !

Good job guys !

twest · May 12, 2009, 09:00 AM

Feature request:

Let's see if I can explain what I think would be a good feature.
Right now, you can use pre-set throttle endpoints, which may or may not fit your transmitter.
Or you can use self-calibrating endpoints, where the esc senses full throttle and tailors the throttle curve to your transmitter- but you have to repeat this every flight!

I would like a setting where you only have to "set" the throttle once, and it is then stored in memory. This would help with 3D and pattern flyers, who may fly for several minutes of their routine without going to full throttle. I find myself "gooseing" the throttle on takeoff just to set the esc, but in a highly overpowered plane, this makes your takeoffs less smooth.

DavidB. · May 12, 2009, 12:32 PM

When you setup your radio, run the motor without a prop and set your transmitter end points to fit your ESC throttle range. You only need to do this once and it's set for life.

oldeflyer · May 14, 2009, 10:49 PM

I was looking to see how low the RPM mode would let me go with out complaining. I went to 1400 and it said at 70% the governor mode would be able to maintain good speed at neutral pitch. 70% seems kind of low to be trying to run an ESC/mtr combo. Sounded cool in the air though.
Wouldn't that heat up the gear just a little? Didn't check the heat or run that long that low.
Just curious.

oldeflyer · May 16, 2009, 10:28 AM

Running a CC85HV, Swift620, 600+ mtr., 6S Lipo, RPM mode and gain of 15 (default).
The datalogger shows really narrow motor/HS bands during my normal flying. But when I tried some high pitch yo-yos, the motor rpm was drooping noticably.
Gain too high or too low? I think low but I thought I'd ask before changing.
Don't do high pitch flying except to get out of trouble, so it is not a major issue, but I want to dial it in if I can.

RC Man · May 16, 2009, 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldeflyer

Running a CC85HV, Swift620, 600+ mtr., 6S Lipo, RPM mode and gain of 15 (default).
The datalogger shows really narrow motor/HS bands during my normal flying. But when I tried some high pitch yo-yos, the motor rpm was drooping noticably.
Gain too high or too low? I think low but I thought I'd ask before changing.
Don't do high pitch flying except to get out of trouble, so it is not a major issue, but I want to dial it in if I can.

Sounds like a power system limitation and not a governor issue. If the LED comes on solid it’s running at 100%. If you need more power than a better motor and battery would be needed. A larger pinion might help a little, you could try that first.

oldeflyer · May 16, 2009, 11:02 AM

RC,
Using a 9T pinion. The CC software set to 1753. I don't think that motor/battery combo is being pushed too hard. I think the CC software INF button said it was 90%? Not sure now, not home to check.
I was thinking along the line of tail gyro gain. If it slides to the side when you give it big pitch changes, increase the gain. If it wiggles all the time, decrease the gain.

RC Man · May 16, 2009, 02:39 PM

A 6s LiPo and 1753 headspeed is very low power for a 620 helicopter. If you want good performance you will need a 10s LiPo and 2100 headspeed. With a good 30C 10s battery and a Scorpion HK4025-740 motor you can pull 12 to 13 degrees of pitch and hold that headspeed. That’s what I fly on my Raptor E620SE. You are just running a very low power setup so your performance is reasonable for that setup.

smewr · May 16, 2009, 06:29 PM

I've got the new CC software in my Trex 500 Heli,, (CC80) I'd like to get 2650 rpm like the manual says is max... Now, with the new software and my usual 13t pinion, I'm only good for 2437 rpm...I doubt thats enough for a T500. A 14t pinion would do the trick according to the software -- anybody tried this combo? I'm concerned it would stress my stock motor/2500MaH batt. Thanks !!!!

May 11, 2009, 06:58 PM	#37
Spidious Yes that is my Agusta A109 Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: By Horizon, Hobbico & Advantage Hobbies ! Posts: 3,554	Duh I put the pinion/main gear numbers in the wrong section (backwards ) ! Put it in correct and now have a 1580 rpm setting with a gov of 7. Going outside now to see just how well it works.. OK Tried it at gov setting of 7 to slow response, but rock solid tail. Set to 21 ! twitchy, so set it down to 15. Seems OK now ! Good job guys ! Last edited by Spidious; May 11, 2009 at 07:27 PM.

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May 12, 2009, 09:00 AM	#38
twest 100% electric since 1990 Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Hadley, Massachusetts, USA Posts: 1,266	Feature request: Let's see if I can explain what I think would be a good feature. Right now, you can use pre-set throttle endpoints, which may or may not fit your transmitter. Or you can use self-calibrating endpoints, where the esc senses full throttle and tailors the throttle curve to your transmitter- but you have to repeat this every flight! I would like a setting where you only have to "set" the throttle once, and it is then stored in memory. This would help with 3D and pattern flyers, who may fly for several minutes of their routine without going to full throttle. I find myself "gooseing" the throttle on takeoff just to set the esc, but in a highly overpowered plane, this makes your takeoffs less smooth.

May 12, 2009, 12:32 PM	#39
DavidB. X-Era Motors Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Newport, NC Posts: 2,190	When you setup your radio, run the motor without a prop and set your transmitter end points to fit your ESC throttle range. You only need to do this once and it's set for life.

May 14, 2009, 10:49 PM	#40
oldeflyer Some fly...some don't. Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Northeast Ohio Posts: 832	I was looking to see how low the RPM mode would let me go with out complaining. I went to 1400 and it said at 70% the governor mode would be able to maintain good speed at neutral pitch. 70% seems kind of low to be trying to run an ESC/mtr combo. Sounded cool in the air though. Wouldn't that heat up the gear just a little? Didn't check the heat or run that long that low. Just curious.

May 16, 2009, 10:28 AM	#41
oldeflyer Some fly...some don't. Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Northeast Ohio Posts: 832	Running a CC85HV, Swift620, 600+ mtr., 6S Lipo, RPM mode and gain of 15 (default). The datalogger shows really narrow motor/HS bands during my normal flying. But when I tried some high pitch yo-yos, the motor rpm was drooping noticably. Gain too high or too low? I think low but I thought I'd ask before changing. Don't do high pitch flying except to get out of trouble, so it is not a major issue, but I want to dial it in if I can.

May 16, 2009, 11:02 AM	#43
oldeflyer Some fly...some don't. Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Northeast Ohio Posts: 832	RC, Using a 9T pinion. The CC software set to 1753. I don't think that motor/battery combo is being pushed too hard. I think the CC software INF button said it was 90%? Not sure now, not home to check. I was thinking along the line of tail gyro gain. If it slides to the side when you give it big pitch changes, increase the gain. If it wiggles all the time, decrease the gain.

May 16, 2009, 02:39 PM	#44
RC Man A man with too many helicopter Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Illinois Posts: 10,713	A 6s LiPo and 1753 headspeed is very low power for a 620 helicopter. If you want good performance you will need a 10s LiPo and 2100 headspeed. With a good 30C 10s battery and a Scorpion HK4025-740 motor you can pull 12 to 13 degrees of pitch and hold that headspeed. That’s what I fly on my Raptor E620SE. You are just running a very low power setup so your performance is reasonable for that setup.

May 16, 2009, 06:29 PM	#45
smewr Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 30	I've got the new CC software in my Trex 500 Heli,, (CC80) I'd like to get 2650 rpm like the manual says is max... Now, with the new software and my usual 13t pinion, I'm only good for 2437 rpm...I doubt thats enough for a T500. A 14t pinion would do the trick according to the software -- anybody tried this combo? I'm concerned it would stress my stock motor/2500MaH batt. Thanks !!!!