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Old Nov 29, 2009, 06:27 AM
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I like the program just the way it is!!!


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Unfortunately Ken it's not exactly a successful program if just you and a few others like it while the rest of the world does something else. It has to be generally popular. Or at least the early stages do - or you simply won't get any participation. Little participation means death to an incredibly brave and potentially awesome SSP.
I believe we should be thinking LESS ABOUT OURSELVES AND WHAT WE LIKE AND MORE ABOUT WHAT OTHERS WOULD BE ATTRACTED TO.
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Old Nov 30, 2009, 12:01 PM
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I have promoted the LSF program in my club. The guys look at Level 5 and walk away because they are not every likely to have the opportunity to even try that, so why even start the program. Over and over I get this and I fully understand. That is how I looked at it the first 10 times someone tried to get me to start the LSF tasks.
I never understood this logic. Each level is a finish line. Each level is an acheavement. By finishing the first level you get a membership number, membership in the association, and the right to display your level on the wings of your planes. <shrug>

As a show of solidarity and my small way of showing some respect to Steve and his family I'm going to make the effort to do Copper. I just looked over the requirements and if I have added this all up right Copper requires 2 hours 15 minutes of flying and 3 landings within 3 meters (some of those landings have to coincide with long flights). To me, this seems like a challenging enough task to make the goal of acheaving the Copper level rewarding, at least to me. I have not been flying RC gliders for 20 years but I have been flying them for 15 years now. I don't know if I will try for any other "metals" after Copper. Either way finishing Copper will be someting I'll be proud of and I'll be proud to have a SSP membership number. I just filled out the form to get the Copper level started.

For years there has been talk, talk, talk on rcgroups and other places about self paced self recognition programs. The SSP is not the program I would have devised but then I did not devise a program. To my knowledge, only one person actually stepped up and did something. Come on, peeps. 2 hours 15 minutes of flying. I think that is the least we can do.

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Old Nov 30, 2009, 04:05 PM
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Quick question

For the 8 spot landings for Copper, can an electric sailplane be used? I think so but I'm not 100% sure based on the rules for the precision landing flights. Just wanted to confirm this.

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Welcome Ryan. Thats a good way of looking at it, each level is an entity unto it's self.

I would far rather end this life being an SSP member at the Copper level and knowing I did my best, then just flying "what ever", "when ever", and never being a part of something GREAT.


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Old Dec 01, 2009, 07:26 AM
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For the 8 spot landings for Copper, can an electric sailplane be used? I think so but I'm not 100% sure based on the rules for the precision landing flights. Just wanted to confirm this.

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Yes you can. Just follow the launch rules for using your "invisable winch". I like electrics and am glad we have them included in the program.
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Where's all our slope guys at? I need to hear from you. I've been talking to Joe and we have a new game plan we would like to discuss real quick with everyone. But we will need the slope guys help. Here's what we're talking about briefly.
We're thinking about a small, quick change to Bronze and a bigger change to Silver. We're thinking of making them a little easier and having slope re-done for Bronze and continued through Silver. Then there would be two advanced halves of the program. One for slope and one for TD. You could choose to do both at the same time or just one. It wouldn't matter.
This solves several concerns people have had. One it brings the "this or that" back that a lot of people like. It also makes the main part of the program less involved and less daunting to those just starting out. It then allows the advanced parts to be more involved and difficult. By making that small distinction between the two it should solve the problem of the "whole" looking so scary to some. It would be a good way to please the greatest number of people I think. At the same time it would keep the record keeping and paperwork to a minimum for us. What do you all think?
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We're thinking about a small, quick change to Bronze and a bigger change to Silver. We're thinking of making them a little easier and having slope re-done for Bronze and continued through Silver. Then there would be two advanced halves of the program. One for slope and one for TD. You could choose to do both at the same time or just one. It wouldn't matter.What do you all think?
Sounds fantastic to me.
Great solution!
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Where's all our slope guys at? I need to hear from you. I've been talking to Joe and we have a new game plan we would like to discuss real quick with everyone. But we will need the slope guys help. Here's what we're talking about briefly.
We're thinking about a small, quick change to Bronze and a bigger change to Silver. We're thinking of making them a little easier and having slope re-done for Bronze and continued through Silver. Then there would be two advanced halves of the program. One for slope and one for TD. You could choose to do both at the same time or just one. It wouldn't matter.
This solves several concerns people have had. One it brings the "this or that" back that a lot of people like. It also makes the main part of the program less involved and less daunting to those just starting out. It then allows the advanced parts to be more involved and difficult. By making that small distinction between the two it should solve the problem of the "whole" looking so scary to some. It would be a good way to please the greatest number of people I think. At the same time it would keep the record keeping and paperwork to a minimum for us. What do you all think?
I fly both thermal and slope.

I like the approach you state here.
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[QUOTE=Steve Boone;13722657]Where's all our slope guys at? I need to hear from you.

Sent you a long reply which seems to have gone astray. Will re do it again tomorrow
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Did you send anything to me on the slope stuff?
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Old Dec 03, 2009, 09:53 PM
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Where's all our slope guys at? I need to hear from you. I've been talking to Joe and we have a new game plan we would like to discuss real quick with everyone.---- But we will need the slope guys help. We're thinking of making them a little easier and having slope re-done for Bronze and continued through Silver.---
Sorry for delay in answering. PC groups seem to have a problem with my web address (no one else has a problem) as they say emails have been returned although my one #719 got through OK. I will contact them and try and sort it out.
We have produced a trial version for bronze and the club members are trying it out before we go on to silver as well as gold. We are reluctant to publish any details until you have sorted out where you are going with the thermal levels as we wish the slope levels to be complementary to the thermal levels in principle where possible. I note the idea to split the levels to allow for the newer/not expert aspirants to have levels up to silver with platinum on being for the more expert, and in fact suggested this way back in #679. We also have no wish to go through the hassle that that has been going on this thread for the last number of months and will issue all the levels as a co-ordinated program for comment when completed. We have only been busy on this for just on 2 weeks so don’t expect miracles).
What is of concern to us is the paragraph “We're thinking of making them a little easier and having slope re-done for Bronze and continued through Silver” in #716.We thought that is what we were asked to do? Please let us know what is happening. We don’t want to compete with you.
A quick look at what we propose doing with the slope program:-
1.Sportsman’s Slope Soaring Program SSSP, copper, bronze, silver and gold levels. For the average flyer.
Advanced SSP, platinum 1/2/3?. For the competitive “nut”. We are doing nothing in this area. Will wait to see what is happening with thermal and if you want our involvement.
2. Duration tasks with spots will include a set number (depending on level) of 5 min flights with the same spot requirement should the initial spot be missed. This will remove the need for a total re-flight to achieve a spot. If no spot is achieved in the number given a re-flight will be required.
3. Specified aerobatic tasks are to be completed during duration flights. These will be increased in difficulty and number in higher levels.
4. Some fun fly tasks will also be included.
The intent of all the above is to include an element of ‘fun’ into the various levels and also where possible to keep the involvement of timekeepers/judges to an absolute minimum.
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elcoba: I sent you an e-mail. Please let me know if you get it.
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This was not an easy decision. We were getting so close to the end to re-work the program at this stage was a tough choice. In the end we had to agree that it was probably going to serve the soaring community better this way. So now the program will be three parts with three levels in each part. There will be the base program with the "this or that" style. (TD or slope, or a mixture of both) Then two advanced parts one for TD, one for slope that you can either do one or both of. Yes, if you want, you may even do both advanced parts at the same time. You will however be required to do the base program first before starting either of the advanced parts. Sorry but we're adamant about this part. It doesn't matter how experienced you are, you will be required to do the base program first. I have sent Charles the new bronze and silver levels for them to add the slope stuff to. As soon as I hear back I'll let everyone know. Cory is going to check it out to see how it looks for this side of the pond. We're hoping to have the base program done soon. The advanced TD will be done in short order as we already know where it's headed. Over the next few days I plan to get to the web site and make the changes. If you're planning to do all TD for Bronze and Silver there will be nothing to slow you down as that part is already done so we can accomodate you. The next question is, should we use precious gems for the advanced slope stuff to differentiate between the two advanced programs? I know, a whole new can of worms. I knew it would come up so I figured I would get a jump on it.
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So if I plan to start the copper level tomorrow I don't have to wait for changes?
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Old Dec 05, 2009, 03:49 PM
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Copper is finished and not going to change. Bronze and Silver are re-done (not re-posted yet though) as far as the TD part goes. Just waiting on the slope stuff before re-posting it. So as long as you don't want to do slope in those two parts you're good to go all the way through the base program. I'm hoping the slope stuff is at least close for bronze. I haven't heard back yet.
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