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Old Nov 05, 2009, 09:55 PM
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I always wanted a program without contest, but i didn't think it would be that difficult
just in the first level.
My concern would be if i acomplished these levels, would this program have the longevity
that the LSF has. I would hate to spend all that time an in ten or twenty years it was all
for not. just my opinion, keep up the good work an I hope it all works out.
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Old Nov 06, 2009, 08:36 AM
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Seems we are comparing apples to oranges. The only thing we have in common with the LSF is the desire to improve ones flying skills. The only thing we have from the LSF is their support in the program and the greatly appretiated help with the web site, Thank you Dennis!
The more structured flying one does the better they get. This is my experince and a lot of you know that I need more of it
Agian I mention Steve's early thoughts, it ain't going to be easy

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Old Nov 06, 2009, 10:14 AM
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I would like to also add. With the LSF you can only fly one flight a day and you may have to wait a while to go to your next contest. This alone stretches things out. With the SSP you can fly as many tasks in a day as you wish, any day that you wish. This speeds up the completion of task sets. So as Joe stated, this really is apples and oranges in the way the programs work. Not that one is better than the other, just different. Competition adds an added pressure of being under the gun so to speak with others watching. The SSP does as well for many of us although maybe not to the same extent. We're both 5 level programs currently. (titanium is just a way to signify those who do the program more than once so really shouldn't count as a level) Neither program is intended as an "everyone will finish" type program. That's why the upper levels earn the added respect and/or admiration of others. Because of the extaordinary efforts of those that get there.

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I always wanted a program without contest, but i didn't think it would be that difficult
just in the first level.
My concern would be if i acomplished these levels, would this program have the longevity
that the LSF has. I would hate to spend all that time an in ten or twenty years it was all
for not. just my opinion, keep up the good work an I hope it all works out.
I really don't think Copper is all that difficult, except to maybe a raw beginner. In which case anything you create will seem difficult. Bronze is a bit tough, because of the long flights. This is fitting as most people at this stage are trying to see how long they can stay airborne. After that thrill wears off a bit (with some, I never get tired of it) they're looking for different kinds of challenges. Which Silver addresses with ladders, add em ups, contest style, etc. Gold is not necessarily going to be longer total flight time. The tighter landing skill requirements, higher point requirements (contest style), etc. will be what makes it harder.
As far as putting work into a program and wondering if it will be around in 20 yrs. Well, nothing and I mean nothing is guarenteed in life. However, I think there's enough interest to keep it alive. The biggest hurtle right now is getting the program completely outlined. A tedious job at best. I plan to have this done by Dec 31 this year. I have other things to do than just this program and have got to get back to "real life" soon. I've given a large part of my time this year to getting this off the ground.
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Old Nov 06, 2009, 01:20 PM
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I would like to also add. With the LSF you can only fly one flight a day ........
Where do you see that?

I only see a restriction to number of flights in a day with regard to substituting a second TD flight in lieu of the Slope Duration task....

Quote from Voucher back
"* A second thermal flight which meets the basic Thermal Duration requirement for this Level may be flown in lieu of the Slope Duration requirement. However, the second thermal flight may not be flown on the same day. "
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Old Nov 06, 2009, 01:50 PM
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You're right I forgot about that. I stand corrected. I was thinking more along the lines of mutiple same flight types.
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Old Nov 06, 2009, 08:58 PM
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How about we just send a $5 money order in and instantly qualify for each level???? This is getting a bit too much like the school system where the standard is lowered so that every one can pass. Are we that poor as a people that the world will end if failing to complete a set of soaring task's ?

I was happy with the ver. with 1000 hour's,but hay that's just me.

Steve, you have my full support with any of the level's as you and Joe see fit.

Any thought's on a task set in Gold that is required to fly a 2m woodie KIT?

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Old Nov 07, 2009, 04:05 AM
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I'm not trying to lower the standards for the SSP,i fill this program has no beginners.
I would leave that word out of the program an just use numbers or metal for the levels like you are doing. I don't mind the difficulty i just have a hard time with copper being
called a beginner. I know beginner may only apply to the program but in no means do i
fill i'm a beginner.I think it devalues the pilot that can fly scale ships that are going alot faster than thermal birds.he may not thermal as long an land spot on but he or she wouldn't be classified as a beginner. on a broader view of skill in rc soaring SSP is a
advanced or intermedate program from the start. To accomplish copper i would'nt call
that person a beginner, just a level I or copper pilot. keep up the hard work Steve your doing a very good job, i'm shore it will all work out. just my opinion
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Old Nov 07, 2009, 06:49 AM
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KEN: Thank you for speaking up and saying enough is enough. This is being pushed to the too easy side of things for my liking as well. Personally I like 3 the best and 4 isn't too bad I guess. So here's a combo of them both. Meet version #6.
EMORY: You have a good point. So I have dropped the classifications after the level names on the site. From now on they simply are what they are. Copper, Bronze, Silver, etc. no more, no less.
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I also liked ver.3, but #6 is a real good replacement. A fair amount of airtime
and variaty to the task set's.

As there is little time left for the remaining level's, can we put this one in the book's?


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Steve,

In reducing the number of contest flights, you need to adjust the score too.

Two perfect 7 minute flights with 100 point landings will add up to only 1040 points. You and achieve 1170 in just two flights. I kind of liked the three rounds....

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Old Nov 07, 2009, 04:44 PM
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Yes please add an extra flight to the comp style task's. Finaly some one else asking for MORE flight's!


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Old Nov 07, 2009, 08:08 PM
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I think you've misunderstood. There are two rounds each for 7 minute and 10 minute contest style flights. Each of the four tasks consists of three flights. Total flights for 7 minute task set is 6 flights. Two sets of three flights. Same for 10 minute rounds. This will all be spelled out in the rules along with the flight windows for launching.
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Yup, if your not sure, Read the TASK Discription! A brain fart on my part for sure.

Question: on the 100 inch landing tape, if you over shoot the 0 inch mark,by 1 inch or more the landing is void? All the other landing task's are to be within a set distance 3m,1.5m,1m,etc regardless of what direction the nose is to the center mark.
Not a big issue, just hate to fail the landing's cuz I was doing them wrong.

Let's get silver ver.6 locked down and work on gold. As the level's are to be reviewed at the 1 year mark ,we can tweek them at that time.


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Old Nov 07, 2009, 09:12 PM
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Just went back and read ver. 6 and it says 2 flight's where it is suppost to say round's. A typo error for sure


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Old Nov 08, 2009, 07:13 AM
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I will change it to rounds as it makes for less confusion. I'll do my best to get the rules done for the contest style so we can get Silver re-posted. As for landings. The landing is measured from the 100" point. The tapes usually have a grommet there so the tape swivels around the 100" mark. So to answer your question, no it wouldn't be a zero as the numbers actually represent a circle around the 100" point not a line to it. You pull the tape to the nose of the aircaft and then read the distance.
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