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Old Sep 20, 2009, 10:20 PM
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Gee's, Gordon you sound just like me( but with the funny accent')being a fanatic,or is that lunatic? My family thinks I'm the latter . I look forward to the XC and O&R task's for next summer. So far I don't see any hardship's with the program,tho the repeted task's seem over done, if that is how the executive see it,then the challenge is for us to do it.

As the Olyimpic's are here this winter, "Steve and Joe have lit the torch", how many of us will pick it up and run with it, only time will tell. But I do know it will be a hell of a fun ride.

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Old Sep 21, 2009, 07:48 AM
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Sorry guys, after re-reading my post from last night it did sound a bit defensive. It was late.
I would have liked to of put some of the newer ideas in first. More ladders and add em' up. Then came back with the longer flights. It would have been hard to side them with the slope stuff IMHO. Not a problem in silver because there is no slope. It was never intended to be around through the whole program as there's a new slope program out there already. I also remember last year when I first started soaring. I wanted to learn TD, then someone told me in TD contest they landed after a short time and tried to get landing points. My first words were, "So where's the duration part?. What do you mean land? I just finally got to where I want to be, way up there. Now you want me to land?" Soon after I got it though. After being able to actually soar regualrly 10-15 and several 20-30 minute flights later, things started getting stale. Then I took a try at the contest style stuff coached on by our LV guy at the field. It was surprisingly fun after all. I really like ladder stuff personally. It still kills me to leave good lift to land though. My point being that most new guys aren't bored with long flights. Intimidated a bit, yes, but they want to soar, not land. After completing the Bronze level that will be getting a bit stale for them as they will have become better pilots. Then they will be looking for a new challenge.
Welcome to Silver Level. That's when we get heavy into ladder work and timed flight. Now at a certain point I see them going, "this is starting to feel like work". That's why we put in add em' up. This let's them have a more relaxed day as flight durations and exact times aren't as important, just the total duration for the day. Want a long flight, go for it. "Bob" shows up at the field and you want to cut your flight short to BS, go ahead, no big deal. Lift is light, well you can still make progress with a bunch of short flights. End of the day comes and you met your time but had various flight times and no particular order to have to have them in. Silver is HUGE. Lots of tasks to do as there is no "this or that" style. It is a "do it all" style.
Then Gold Level shows up and like a good book or movie, throws everyone a curve. Nope, we're not saying anymore at this point. It's not a curve if you see it coming silly.
Then we get to platinum and Titanium. Not many are going to want to go there probably. It will be for the serious soaring pilots only. Lots of hard task sets that will really set you apart kind of stuff. Don't look for an 8 hr slope flight, it won't be there. Slope may come back one final time in Titanium, but I'm not sure yet.
Ok, so now you have a look into my thought process. I know a lot of you have been flying for a long time, I haven't. I know a lot of you are new to soaring as well. Stick with it, it gets easier fast and you'll be glad for the challenges. I would rather start a program knowing it will be challenging, than start a program and be bored after a few times out. Will this program lose some people? Yes, that's just the way life is. Hopefully, it will entertain even more though. Will we ever get it done? Yes, but it takes time. This isn't my job, even though lately it has taken up a big chunk of my life. Thank god the kids are all gone and the wife is very understanding. It's a huge amount of work to do. Once we get caught up it won't be so bad. Bear with us, please. And remember, this is a SPORTSMAN"S program, not a competition, SO HAVE FUN!!!
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Old Sep 22, 2009, 12:54 PM
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Windependence,

You won't be alone. I'm going to be using my scratch built, balsa wing, foam fuse, Zepher HLG converted to electric to do the Copper level. Span is only 52" but she glides all day long.

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Old Sep 22, 2009, 03:53 PM
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Windependence,

You won't be alone. I'm going to be using my scratch built, balsa wing, foam fuse, Zepher HLG converted to electric to do the Copper level. Span is only 52" but she glides all day long.

Regards,
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Cool! Now there's a guy that likes a challenge. How about a pic of that Zepher. I've actually been doing mine with several planes to get an idea of difficulty. Ok, and to just make it more fun. Falcon 880, Ava Flapped, Radian 2M, and now the Radian 120". I did about half my landings with the Radian 2M. It just shows, it's not the plane as much as the pilot. I'm thinking about breaking out the Dynaflite Skeeter HL next to see what I can do with that.
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Old Sep 22, 2009, 05:50 PM
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I just picked up the "proof" for the embroidery that is going on the back of my new fall coat. There are 85,000 stitch's, yes thats eighty five THOUSAND !

It is going to look so sweet,tho I had to change the color of the lettering to silver,but Platinum and Titanium are also a silver color are they not??


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Use what you can

For me, the plane I use for the tasks has been a matter of scheduling.

Aside from several landings and a couple of the 5-min flights, which I did with a 3m RES, all other tasks have been with an old DLG. I can put it in the back of the car and fly during the lunch hour. Its low visibility ceiling of about 700 ft usually means that for a longer flight you have to find at least 3 thermals. A couple of times this summer that has worked out.

Hopefully the weather will cooperate a few more times so I can finish Copper.

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Old Sep 23, 2009, 01:40 PM
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Zepher

Hi Steve,

This is my Zepher. Wing is balsa and mono. Fuse is foam monoblock with fan fold foam sides and tail feathers. Had to make fuse larger than plan to fit the electronics. Acrylic paint on the foam. Turnigy 2822 motor and 8x6 prop; 800mah 2s lipo; 12A ESC; and Corona receiver for an AUW of 10oz.

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Old Sep 26, 2009, 07:35 PM
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I had another small window of time to get out and fly today. This time a called another glider guy and asked him if he had the time to join my with his 2M plane and he did. The weather today was upper 60's and partly cloudy, very scattered drizzle and one of those drizzle making clouds was nearby. There was basically no wind, The clouds that were overhead never really moved. That drizzle maker stayed put for an hour and a half but lucky for my it did not drizzle on me for most of my day. I could not find any real lift so I decided to work on my landings.

I decided to work on using the spoilers to aid me in my precision landings. I seem to either land very short or have way too much energy and overfly the landing tape. Deploying the spoilers slightly on my potential overfly landing attempts helped. Normally if I am too high coming into the landing tape I overfly because I don't want to give down elevator because that will just give me more speed on landing. But by deploying the spoilers a little I can drop that needed altitude without picking up unneeded speed. It was working very well. I was able to make 3 landings today that qualified for copper and two of those also qualified for my LSF 1 tasks. I only wish that I could have found a little lift for that needed 5 minutes flight. I made a little over 4 but never was able to hit the 5 minute mark.

So chalk off a few more requirements and hopefully I can get the rest completed before winter sets in.

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Old Sep 26, 2009, 09:05 PM
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Well done Wayne! Just a point of note, on full size sailplane's, the landing approch is set up so that you are running half spoiler's from the turn onto final till the start of the landing flair. By alway's setting up for half spoiler's, you can adjust for an under shoot by closing them briefly alowing you to float for a bit. Or to adjust for an overshoot by opening them briefly to steepen your aproch angle till you are back on the correct aproach path.




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Ken, thanks for the approach info, it just reinforces my decision to work spoilers on the landings. The other thing that has really helped was programming my radio with a mix of spoiler to the elevator. Now when I deploy the spoilers the elevator compensation is done automatically, before I was always afraid of deploying the spoilers close to the ground and nosing in the plane while trying to manually compensate with the elevator.

I really do believe that I can now get the landings done. Almost every landing I did today was within 5 meters of the "spot". I did try going back to no mix and was right back to being way under or way over the mark. I hope someday to be good enough to not need the programming mix but for now it is making my landings better.

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Ah, one of the pleasant suprises that I doubt Steve saw coming, guys helping each other out!

Another bit of advice, open the spoilers when you have a good deal of altitude. You can get a feel for what is going to happen at a safe hieght and also see if you need to adjust the compensation.
Even with compensation I find myself using the elevator to control airspeed and glide path.

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Ken, thanks for the approach info, it just reinforces my decision to work spoilers on the landings. The other thing that has really helped was programming my radio with a mix of spoiler to the elevator. Now when I deploy the spoilers the elevator compensation is done automatically, before I was always afraid of deploying the spoilers close to the ground and nosing in the plane while trying to manually compensate with the elevator.

I really do believe that I can now get the landings done. Almost every landing I did today was within 5 meters of the "spot". I did try going back to no mix and was right back to being way under or way over the mark. I hope someday to be good enough to not need the programming mix but for now it is making my landings better.

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Even with compensation I find myself using the elevator to control airspeed and glide path.

Joe
Where I was having issues was adjusting the needed elevator compenstaion as I changed the amount of spoiler on landing approaches. I would almost always overcompensate one way of the other when I changed the spoiler deployment. I would get ballooning or nose dives as I attempted to control the glide path and adjust for the changing spoilers. It had gotten so frustrating that I just gave up and did not use them for landings.

Now some of that is taken care of through the mix. It is just one less thing I need to focus on as I land.

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OH YA BABY!!! Copper is finaly done and in the mail. Funny, the hardest one I found to do was the 10 minute slope flight with spot landing.I had the tape right up close to the edge, so that on all the overshoot's(no spoiler's available)a blip of up elevator and I was back out in the lift to work up to landing hight again and again and again. Looking forward to Bronze so that a simple hand catch is all that is needed.

Just to make it a bit more interesting,half the flight's were TD and half were slope.

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Newest member: L-Spatz is now member #6. Congratulations, Ken! I hope you enjoy Bronze Level. I'll be getting your membership card and free decal in the mail and on it's way.
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Old Sep 30, 2009, 11:27 PM
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Thanks Steve. I hope the added fund's will help to cover a fair number of decal's/member card's.

We had a light dusting of SNOW on the job site this morning,Yup the season's are "a changin".

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