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Old Mar 30, 2009, 06:47 PM
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My next trick ...Graupner Neptun

Picked this up in the fall ...Not a bad little kit . Builds fast clean and crisp parts ..the ply wood is fantastic..But what's up with that rudder?

Any way here she is soon to be renamed .....Not sure..
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Old Mar 31, 2009, 08:44 AM
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Rudder, what rudder?

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Old Mar 31, 2009, 10:08 AM
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Yeah!! Show me the rudder!!!
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Old Mar 31, 2009, 11:14 AM
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you have to make the rudder, and it comes out crap, however all isn't lost, Robbe do a rudder spare, designed for use as the rudder for the dusseldorf, or the front fins to the seawolf, part number 1481

you will need to chop the shaft, however it will go down the grupner tube. I used it as a direct replacement for the one on Gemini
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Old Mar 31, 2009, 01:27 PM
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Yes ..Thats exactly what i thought Ghost....now that the foot of snow is blown out of the driveway ..I can fabricate a new one

Im intending to make it out of 2 piece's of 1.5mm brass sheet ,3mm after its done will give it some meat. Same with the tiller arm I'll make it out of brass and solider a collar to it with a set screw... the rudder shaft will in turn be solidered to the rudder..


I'll try and get picture's of the remake up tonight ..
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Old Mar 31, 2009, 02:23 PM
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the rudder on Nord Icelandia has a brass shaft and brass blade, the shaft has a 1/2" deep notch cut into it about 1mm wide, this slides OVER the rudder blade. Two holes are drilled through it and a brass plug had been driven through it.

sorry I can't send you pic of nord icelandia's rudder, its now buried under plasticard as I have made it bigger.

After replacing the rudder on Gemini, when I came to build Miranda and Celestia, the Graupner rudders NEVER got built, instead the Robbe part was purchased.

Come on Graupner, you can do MUCH better.
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Old Mar 31, 2009, 05:08 PM
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Thanks Ghost ,,but due to the current economic situation this will be DIY

It took about an hour and a bit ..but I made it..
2x 1.5mm brass plate and the original shaft ,Silver solder ,and a little brazing fuel .....Install the tube in the hull and cut to length ...I think it looks all right ..
Because its rather heavy (I think so ) I will drill a hole through the top of the shaft to put in a catch wire should the set screw back off on the tiller arm
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Old Mar 31, 2009, 06:00 PM
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looks good.
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Old Mar 31, 2009, 06:02 PM
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oh i noticed you have a 280, thats small! i run mine with a 385 on 7.2v in one and a vision 400 in the other. both pull less than 1 amp
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Old Mar 31, 2009, 06:40 PM
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Can wise is the 385 about the same size ?...Dont really want to have to change the drive line and what not ..
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Old Mar 31, 2009, 06:59 PM
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specs for graupner speed400:

Nominal voltage 6 V
Operating voltage range 2,4 ... 7,2 V
No-load rpm 18000 min–1
No-load current drain 0,7 A
Current drain at max. efficiency 4 A
Current drain when stalled 25 A
Max. efficiency without gearbox 70 %
Length of case, excl. shaft 37,8 mm
Diameter 27,7 mm
Free shaft length 13,8 mm
Shaft diameter 2,3 mm
Weight 73 g

using a 380 you will need to cut the revs down as your boat will want to plane, the 385 on the other hand will be quite happy to poodle along at 75% power and be very economical. I run both of mine direct drive

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=833997 <==Miranda's build log.
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Old Apr 02, 2009, 05:58 PM
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Installed the rudder and linkage today..
Also i got to tinker with some brass for a formast..What do you people think
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Old Apr 03, 2009, 07:07 PM
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I dropped the Idea of a fore mast..for now....Decks glued in and Domestic test tank trials were successful....I"m thinking that the motor isnt a 280 like i thought ..A 6 volt 1000mah NIMH wedge pack shoved her around the tub well..and pooped the pack in about 20 minutes....it wasnt fully charged...and i think it may be over rated

The 6 volt gel cell wont fit down through the hatches ....I thinking I'll get a couple more 7.2 volt 3800mah NIMH flat packs to run her on..any taker's

I cant get my hands on lead ,go to a tire shop and they look at you strange and politely ask a guy to leave.. ..In a pinch sand bag's?..anything thats free at this point ..
On to paint ..again not sure about the scheme ..but something will come to me ..im sure
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Old Apr 04, 2009, 03:17 PM
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try a hardware store for lead flashing on a roll
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Old Apr 04, 2009, 03:19 PM
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foremast a bit large. 3" is about the right height,
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