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Old Mar 27, 2009, 04:05 PM
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A sign of Sanity...State's rights bills now in 28 states

Bush and now Obama's massive increase in reach and power have provided the much needed impetus to shake folks up a bit and get them to consider the disastrous course of reliance on, and obeisance to, the Federal Leviathan.

DC needs to be reminded that this nation and it's govt are here because of the States...not the other way around.

Over half the States have now introduced bills to strengthen their resistance to federal law and mandates.

This began during Bush's term with some of his over reaches and now covers 28 states. Let's hope it spreads to all fifty and restores at least a tiny bit of what has been lost...local control over the mandates of a centralized Federal power engorged on money and control.

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A response to federal expansion

Although the idea of states' rights took hold in the run-up to the Civil War in order for the South to preserve, among other things, the institution of slavery, today's debates are really about whether there's any power left for the states to carve out of the Constitution.

"If you set up the principle where the federal government can do everything, then, yes, eventually they will do everything. If not, where's the line they can't cross?" says Michael Boldin, president of the Tenth Amendment Center in Los Angeles. "That's the Constitution, I believe."

The courts mainly stood by as federal power expanded by great leaps in the 1930s and the 1960s. There's been another burst of federal expansion in the 2000s, including Mr. Bush's USA Patriot Act and Obama's proposed overhaul of banking regulations.

The fact is, "there's no longer any effective limitations on federal power," says Randy Barnett, a Georgetown law professor who argued for California's medical marijuana law in front of the Supreme Court.

Yet the state sovereignty movement is by no means frivolous and could have significant political firepower. The medical marijuana case in California, for instance, showed that Washington can be forced to scale back its ambitions in the face of populist sentiment.

And although Pitts hails from Abbeville, the place where the South's first secession votes were cast, he insists that today's efforts to check federal power aren't limited to regional pockets or even political affiliation. "The mainstream media would portray some of us as rednecks, whether we're from Pennsylvania, Oregon, or South Carolina," says Pitts. "But this is a wake-up call. And if Washington doesn't heed that wake-up call, revolution is on the horizon."
We are not obligated to stand around while DC asserts ever more control over our lives

Let's see the shootout over the clear meaning of the long ignored 10th, free of 'living' redefinition. If that isn't enough, it's time for a clearer amendment...or time to consider more drastic alternatives. We are not here to serve the State.
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Old Apr 06, 2009, 08:32 PM
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latest on the States rights amendments, including how you deal with Federal threats to withhold federal funds, which is quite brilliant and puts an even sharper focus on State rights if they attempt to do anything about it.

States have State citizens...not Federal Inhabitants. After all, the US is composed of States and that is why the Federal Govt exists, as said before, not the other way around.

So, what you do is you establish State escrow accounts for Federal taxes for each person and buisness. They pay their federal taxes into this escrow. The escrow is paid to the Fed when required.

When the Fed refuses to pay you the highway money it promised because you don't like them controlling you raising the speed limit or not having the drinking age they want...you remove the money they are withholding for the roads from the escrow before you pay it to them.

After all..the States comprise the nation and actually hold the money and the cards. Every penny of actual revenue the Federal gubmint spends...comes from the states. With them hanging onto the pennies *before* the fed gets them...who is actually the master? He who has the gold.

Now, this could get rather heated...which is not in the Fed's interest, because there are a lot more of us than them, and further, that danged pesky 10th amendment is there for a reason...and it's way beyond time to stop ignoring it on purpose so they can extend control over all of us from the Beltway Where The Really Really Smart People Who Will Fix Everything, live.

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New Hampshire’s 10th Amendment resolution typifies others and, in part, reads: “That the several States composing the United States of America, are not united on the principle of unlimited submission to their General (federal) Government; but that, by a compact under the style and title of a Constitution for the United States, and of amendments thereto, they constituted a General Government for special purposes, delegated to that government certain definite powers, reserving, each State to itself, the residuary mass of right to their own self-government; and that whensoever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force.”

Put simply, these 10th Amendment resolutions insist that the states and their people are the masters and that Congress and the White House are the servants. Put yet another way, Washington is a creature of the states, not the other way around.

Congress and the White House will laugh off these state resolutions. State legislatures must take measures that put some teeth into their 10th Amendment resolutions.

Congress will simply threaten a state, for example, with a cutoff of highway construction funds if it doesn’t obey a congressional mandate, such as those that require seat belt laws or that lower the legal blood-alcohol level to .08 for drivers.

States might take a lead explored by Colorado.

In 1994, the Colorado Legislature passed a 10th Amendment resolution and later introduced a bill titled “State Sovereignty Act.”

Had the State Sovereignty Act passed both houses of the legislature, it would have required all people liable for any federal tax that’s a component of the highway users fund, such as a gasoline tax, to remit those taxes directly to the Colorado Department of Revenue.

The money would have been deposited in an escrow account called the “Federal Tax Fund” and remitted monthly to the IRS, along with a list of payees and respective amounts paid.

If Congress imposed sanctions on Colorado for failure to obey an unconstitutional mandate and penalized the state by withholding funds due, say $5 million for highway construction, the State Sovereignty Act would have prohibited the state treasurer from remitting any funds in the escrow account to the IRS.

Instead, Colorado would have imposed a $5 million surcharge on the Federal Tax Fund account to continue the highway construction.
Atlasphere presents: How to remind your would be masters where the power is actually vested
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In your face right wingers and thanks for all the fish...you've managed
to turns us all into Red States:

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In your face right wingers and thanks for all the fish...you've managed
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"Thanks for all the fish..."

CLASSIC!!!

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On a serious note, here's a piece I read on Poplawski. I high-lighted the
part relevant to this thread. It certainly reminds me of many a right
wing thread (this one included) here in LTUP. Et tu Goat ?

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Richard Andrew Poplawski was a young man convinced the nation was secretly controlled by a cabal that would eradicate freedom of speech, take away his guns and use the military to enslave the citizenry.

His online profile suggests someone at once lonely and seething. He wrote of burning the backs of both of his hands, the first time with a cigarette, the second time for symmetry. He subscribed to conspiracy theories and, by January 2007, was posting photographs of his tattoos on white supremacist Web site Stormfront. Among his ambitions: "to accumulate enough 'I punched that [expletive] so hard' stories to match my old man."

Mr. Poplawski's view of guns and personal freedom took a turn toward the fringes of American politics. With Mr. Perkovic, he appeared to share a belief that the government was controlled from unseen forces, that troops were being shipped home from the Mideast to police the citizenry here, and that Jews secretly ran the country.

"We recently discovered that 30 states had declared sovereignty," said Mr. Perkovic, who lives in Lawrenceville. "One of his concerns was why were these major events in America not being reported to the public."

... Believing most media were covering up important events, Mr. Poplawski turned to a far-right conspiracy Web site run by Alex Jones, a self-described documentarian with roots going back to the extremist militia movement of the early 1990s.


Around the same time, he joined Florida-based Stormfront, which has long been a clearinghouse Web site for far-right groups. He posted photographs of his tattoo, an eagle spread across his chest.

"I was considering gettin' life runes on the outside of my calfs," he wrote. Life runes are a common symbol among white supremacists, notably followers of The National Alliance, a neo-Nazi group linked to an array of violent organizations.
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Old Apr 06, 2009, 11:21 PM
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this is what passes for critique from the mind of Pete. pretty surprising, I know.
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