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Old Mar 25, 2003, 01:20 AM
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Saddam's Secret Weapon

This is new to me.

Paraphrased

Iraqi Tribes - Saddam's
Secret Weapon

By Ouerdya Ait-Abdulmalik

3-24-3

"DUBAI (AFP) - In the war against the United States and Britain, President Saddam Hussein can count not only on his elite Republican Guard but also on a more secret weapon -- tribal chiefs who control hundreds of thousands of armed men..."

They, (the tribes) "were highly influential under the monarchy that ruled the country until 1958" but they were "brushed aside by the Baath party which succeeded it and considered their customs backwards and primitive."

But the first Gulf war changed everything "by loosening the state command structure, leaving Saddam scrambling to shore up his domestic support..."

Unfortunately, the international embargo placed on Iraq after the Kuwait invasion, "...aimed at undermining Saddam, ended up offering him a golden opportunity to re-establish his control over an increasingly impoverished society."

"To foster a reconciliation and establish himself as chief of the chiefs, Saddam invited tribal leaders to one of his palaces in 1992. He apologized for new land reforms that stripped them of resources and called for a rapprochement..."

He bought their allegiance/loyalty, "...by offering food, vital materials, money and in particular, the opportunity for them to exercise new influence."

The tribes were "able to run their areas like fiefdoms, all the while working as cogs of the state."

The utility of their support was realized in 1991 when they assisted Saddam in "stamping out a rebellion in south of the country, which has a Shiite Muslim majority."

"The ties binding the tribes to Saddam Hussein and their willingness to protect the status quo that operates in their favor are among the factors leading the tribes to oppose the current US-British invasion."

Saddam has called on all Iraqis and "the tribes in particular to continue to resist the enemy and congratulated them on their success in slowing the coalition advance."

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Old Mar 28, 2003, 02:38 AM
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Tribes, women and sand come to Saddam's aid

BAGHDAD: Washington may fear Iraqi President Saddam Hussein will use biological or chemical arms, but so far his lethal weapons of choice have been tribal chiefs, suicide bombers, militias, women and sandstorms. Since the United States and its allies launched war to oust the Iraqi strongman, Saddam's regime has been praising the valiant resistance of regular army troops.

http://jang.com.pk/thenews/mar2003-d...3/world/w1.htm
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British: Iraqis Fire on Basra Civilians

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Old Apr 13, 2003, 08:36 PM
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tribal leaders in Saddam Hussein's home city were negotiating a cease-fire

Report: Tikrit cease-fire talks underway; 7 U.S. POWs freed

By Haaretz Service and Agencies

Armed men in Tikrit told the Qatar-based Al-Jazeera satellite television Sunday that tribal leaders in Saddam Hussein's home city were negotiating a cease-fire with U.S. forces and that Iraqi troops and paramilitaries had left.

In a film report from the northern part of Tikrit, Jazeera correspondent Youssef al-Sharif interviewed armed men who said they represented leaders of the 15 main tribal family groups in the city, 175 km (110 miles) north of Baghdad. ..."

But the battle still rages?

U.S. Marines were fighting a "significant" battle with Iraqi forces, including tanks, on the southern outskirts of Tikrit on Sunday, a Canadian journalist with the U.S. forces told CNN.

"They [the Americans] launched their attack about an hour and a half ago," Matthew Fisher of Canada's National Post newspaper told the channel in a live telephone call from Tikrit.

"It's a very, very significant attack. They've brought forward a great number of Cobra assault helicopters and there are Marine F-18s [aircraft] overhead..."


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This is still not a clear picture but very interesting

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Old Apr 14, 2003, 11:14 AM
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According to Al Jazeera, the negotiations did not go well.

In part

Tikrit Leaders Try In
Vain To Sue For Peace
Al Jazeera
4-13-3

Attempts by tribal leaders in deposed Iraqi leader Saddam Husseinâs home city of Tikrit to broker a ceasefire with US forces appear to have failed.

Despite the last-ditch effort to stave off an assault on the last major town under Baathist control, US troops continued their assault on Tikrit, apparently ignoring an appeal from 22 leaders for an end to the attack so that a peaceful surrender could be negotiated.

Iraqi troops and paramilitaries had fled the town, said Al-Jazeera TV correspondent Youssef Al-Sharif, who interviewed armed men who said they represented leaders of the 15 main tribal family groups in the city 175 kilometres north of Baghdad.

The men said they took up arms to protect the town from a possible attack by Iraqi Kurdish fighters or Peshmerga moving in from the north after Iraqi troops and paramilitary fighters left. They also said they wanted to prevent the looting that has gripped major Iraqi cities since US forces entered the heart of the capital on Wednesday...

Some 250 US armoured vehicles have entered the city and Brigadier General John Kelly said five Iraqi tanks had been destroyed on the outskirts and at least 15 people killed, embedded Canadian journalist Matthew Fisher, told CNN.

"They've brought forward a great number of Cobra assault helicopters and marine F-18s overhead," he said.

US forces believe that about 2,500 elite Republican Guard and Fidayeen Saddam are holding out in the city.

Centcom officials said Tikrit and other parts of the north between Baghdad and Kirkuk where remnants of Iraqi forces were allegedly resisting are now main targets for US-led forces.

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Old Apr 14, 2003, 11:24 AM
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Re: According to Al Jazeera, the negotiations did not go well.

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Originally posted by Hammer Head
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Tikrit Leaders Try In
Vain To Sue For Peace
Al Jazeera
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Al Jazeera?

Now there is an accurate, unbiased source

What, if any, point were you trying to make here?

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Old Apr 14, 2003, 11:29 AM
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Go back and read the article posted at the beginning of this thread, and apply the filtering of the past three weeks.

"President Saddam Hussein can count not only on his elite Republican Guard....."

Not sure where this article came from, but the experience of the last three weeks concretely demonstrates they have not a clue of which they speak. The only things the Republican Guard could be counted upon for were mass desertions and mass surrenders.

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Please no personal atttacks. Edited by Don for content.
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