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Old Jan 02, 2014, 01:37 AM
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New Harbor Models Invader Kit?

Hello Everyone,

I'm new to the forum here, and large scale modeling in general. I am looking to build the Harbor Models Invader, but have some questions / reservations that I'm hoping some of you folks could help me out with. I have been searching the forums here and elsewhere for a couple of weeks now, and decided its time to ask for help before I bite the bullet and "cut a check!"
A little background; I worked on Invaders for several years as 2nd Mate and Chief Mate. The boats I sailed on were the Warrior, Navigator, Crusader, Mariner, Ranger, and Commander but mostly Navigator and Warrior (looking to build one of those).
I still sail, but no longer with Crowley and am looking for a productive and interesting project for my time home. Plus I have always loved the lines of an Invader; they epitomize the classic tugboat in my opinion.
My mind is made that I will build the Invader or nothing. I am of average "handy-ness" around the house, familiar with tools but not so much with body work / fillers / and fairing, etc. This is where my concerns begin. There do not seem to be too many Invader builds here or on other forums. What is the overall difficulty of this kit for a a person new to this? (I know it won't look as good as most that I have seen so far, but maybe after some years of tweaking it will!) I have seen some very good looking tugs and extremely accurate representations, and some not so accurate. The pictures on Harbor Models website are some of the lesser accurate ones, particularly the aft end of the upper deck and the "winch room" area (overhang and house sides aft). I have also read the kit was discontinued for a bit, and the model on their website I believe is an older one.
I was hoping that someone here has pictures of a current Invader kit (house sides in particular), as I don't think I have the skills to really modify the house without botching it. Is the house placement totally dictated by the kit, or is there some freedom in how far forward you mount the house to ensure accuracy? I am looking to do my best to recreate vessels that I spent much time on, and house placement / adding the 3rd rudder are very important to me. As far as powerplant goes, I am more interested in torque and and realism in the water than speeding around chopping water. How is the Harbor Models running kit for that? Is there any place that sells 5-bladed square tipped wheels like found on the real deal as opposed to the rounded blades I have been finding?
ANY help that you folks could offer would be much appreciated; from the above questions to helpful tricks with this kit, tools, etc. I do not have many pictures from my time with Crowley, as most were taken on now gone cell-phones, but I will make available any pictures I have left to anyone interested.
Everyone on here seems to be very positive, helpful, and encouraging and I look forward to any reply and assistance found here. Thanks again, and nice to meet you all.

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MASSAILOR
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Old Jan 02, 2014, 01:54 AM
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Old Jan 02, 2014, 02:33 AM
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SD RC, those are the pictures I was referring to as being the less accurate with winch room, aft control area, etc. As opposed to the recurve and longer overhand like this model (and the real tugs) http://modeltugforum.com/index.php?topic=1572.30 Have all the models I have seen with the aft ends of the house like the link here been modified by the builders? I think the tug on the Harbor Models website was built in 2007 (before they cancelled and re-started the kit, I think).
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Old Jan 02, 2014, 04:48 AM
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You can order custom propellers from George Sitek/Prop Shop in the UK, and they may already produce a square-tipped five blader that would fit the Invader. If they don't, be prepared to spend some money.

The Harbor Models power package uses the same Pittman motors that a lot of people have been using to turn large props with. There are other options, though, so before you pull the trigger on the complete power package you might want to assemble a list of all the components and figure out if you can get the same for cheaper (or better components).

It is definitely not a 'beginner kit' in the way that one of the Robbe or Graupner boats are. That's not to say you couldn't do it, but it's not the sort of 'insert tab A into slot B, parts will automatically align' work that is usual for a first model. It will take a lot of measuring and asking and test-fitting before you cut or glue anything.
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Old Jan 02, 2014, 05:36 AM
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George Sitek can make any prop you are after. Just give him the dimensions you need and a decent pic of the prop. He did my props and running set for my 1/72 USS California for a very reasonable price.

Cheers Bruce
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Old Jan 02, 2014, 10:54 AM
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Thanks for the replies everyone. I think that I am ready for the challenge of building the kit as is. My main concern is the aft end of the house and how short the deck area is aft of the stack / exhaust trunk. It looks way to short in the Harbor Models pictures, and does not allow any setback underneath for the winch room or enough room aft of the stack for the aft controls, winch control box, etc. I do not think I have the skills to extend that deck further aft and modify the curves while extending the house sides. I am prepared for "do-overs" and mistakes but that area concerns me. Have all of these other modelers modified that area? Or do the newer kit houses have a more accurate winch room? Thanks again for all your help, I've got to head to the wheelhouse, but I'll check back at midnight. My current boat:http://scottpittman.net/blog/hos-red-rock-video/ (I am not the photo /videographer!!)
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Old Jan 02, 2014, 11:35 AM
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Massailor, where do you live? There are many Invaders built and I am sure there would be several modelers who could give you additional information. Several models have been built in the Pacific NW. Jerryj98501
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Old Jan 02, 2014, 01:42 PM
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MASSAILOR welcome to the forum. I am working on a model of the Hunter, but not from the harbor models kit ( samd scale hull now offered at Loyalhannadockyard). The thing about the Invader Class as you may know, is the aft end of the house was a little different on each depending on the vesel and when it was built. This is a big model that will weigh in at almost 80 popunds if done to the scale waterline. Harbors Power plant will work fine as long as they still have thye motors. Running gear will also be fine. Look to Propshop in England for the best cast scale props for this model as they will be big 5 bladed and almost 4 inches. May have to do some modification to their houseing, but not all that difficult as there are enough of us here that will be able offer up help
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Old Jan 02, 2014, 02:10 PM
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A little background; I worked on Invaders for several years as 2nd Mate and Chief Mate. The boats I sailed on were the Warrior, Navigator, Crusader, Mariner, Ranger, and Commander but mostly Navigator and Warrior (looking to build one of those). MASSAILOR
Welcome Indeed !

hoping you have pictures of the boats you worked on, no such thing as too many reference photo's around here ......

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Old Jan 02, 2014, 11:57 PM
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Had a line get loose tonight. Dinner time offshore Gulf of Mexico Jan 2, following seas about 12', running into them at about 18'-20' now. Winds steady 40kts+ gusting to 50. Location due south of the Louisiana / Texas border, 200nm offshore. Will work on tracking down what I have from my time at Crowley.
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Old Jan 03, 2014, 01:48 AM
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Massailor - the superstructure molding that comes with the Invader semi-kit is squared off on the aft end, it's basically in the shape of a shoe box.

This aft bulkhead is actually the forward bulkhead of the winch room and you will need to extend the "wings" on either side going aft to make it look right. You will also cut out the superstructure deck (from the material of your choice), so you will have control over how long that piece is.

The modeler who built the boat shown on the HM website didn't follow the plans, looks like he was going for a more freelance look anyway...
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Old Jan 03, 2014, 01:53 AM
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I've found about 30 pictures so far from my time at Crowley. There are some assorted parts of boats, wheelhouse interiors, but mostly pictures of some different jobs. I have some taken from Warrior in the Panama Canal, some from Navigator in Brazil, and some other misc. pics of things like the Saipen 7000 heavy lift vessel (holds the world record for largest floating lift) in Mexico. I will try to post a couple per day until I run out or find more. If anyone has any questions that aren't reflected in pictures, feel free to ask me any questions about the boats and hopefully I can help.
Keith, do you have any pictures of a person next to your Hunter? Build pics in general? I think I remember your name (boat) from searching but its all becoming a blur. I have been running around like mad with a tape measure trying to get an idea of how big this baby is actually going to be!
Jerry, I live in Massachusetts, so no luck on the PNW front...
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Old Jan 03, 2014, 01:55 AM
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THANK YOU CAPNTROY! That is what I was really looking for!
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Old Jan 03, 2014, 02:48 AM
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No worries...I brought that semi-kit to market in 1994 or so when I owned Harbor Models, but I'm sure most of the details are still the same...
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Old Jan 03, 2014, 01:57 PM
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[QUOTE=MASSAILOR;27073217]I've found about 30 pictures so far from my time at Crowley.QUOTE]

Thanks for the pics MASSAILOR !
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