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Old Jun 23, 2015, 05:23 PM
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Sebart Angel S30E

I've been needing something that was a little more car / travel friendly and decided on the Angel S30E from Sebart. I've herd numerous reports of how well it flys so decided to give one a try myself. Plus it looks similar to my Wind S50 but small enough to fit in the car and fly at a larger park. The Angel is an older Sebart design but has stood the test of time and still liked by many. Sebart will also be releasing a new Mytho S30 very soon which is a newer design smaller version of the F3A Mytho S50. I plan on getting one of those as well as I have it's bigger brother already. It's nice to have smaller versions of my bigger planes for those day's I don't feel like taking the truck and trailer to the field.

Wing Span 50"
Length 52.2"
Wing Area 51.2sq in
Weight W/O battery 38.7oz
Radio 4ch (4 micro servos) (JR DS385 or DS381)
Servo extension (2) 400mm (2) 100mm
Suggested Motor Hacker A30-14L
Suggested ESC X40 SBEC-Pro
Suggested Battery 2170-2500 3S
CG 140mm-150mm
Suggested Prop APC 14 x 8E


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Old Jun 24, 2015, 11:34 AM
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Tail surfaces

Worked on the tail surfaces this morning after work. Started with checking for trueness on a flat surface. Rudder and vertical fin had minor bows in them I was able to get them out easily using a Monokote iron set at 300. The horizontal stab had a small twist in it that came out rather easily as well. The elevator on the other hand i had to work at for a while using a heat gun. Both sides had minor twists opposite each other. I was able to finally get them out by heating the covering and twisting in opposite direction while the covering cooled. Just one of the issues with light built up structures. Everything is now as true as I can get it. Went ahead and glued the horns in as well. Tomorrow I hope to run an iron over the fuse and install the vertical and horizontal stabilizer.

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Old Jun 24, 2015, 07:05 PM
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Power System / Servo's

Power System:

I went with a Hacker A30-10XL over the suggested 14L per Jason at Sebart recomendation. I gain 100kv & 100W with the10XL. For prop I'll use a APC 14x10E to start with. For battery I plan on using a TP 3S 3300 G8 Pro Lite 25C. I also have some 3S 2200's on hand. For ESC I'm going with a Castle Phoenix Edge Lite 75. A 50A ESC would work but I happen to have quite a few 75's on hand.

Radio Gear:

For starters the #1 question always asked is what size are the servo openings. The answer to that question for this plane is 123mm x 11.5mm.

I chose (4) Sub Micro JR DS287MG servos and they fit the openings perfectly. Another good choice for a more economical JR servo would be the SM22 sport servo. The case size for all JR sub micros is the same. For a receiver I'm using a JR RG631B DMSS. It's the smallest and lightest 6ch RX JR has.

You'll also need (2) 18" servo extensions for rudder & elevator and (2) 4" extensions for the aileron servos. The 4" just gets them out of the wing by about an inch. If you want to go directly to the RX 6" extensions would be a better choice.

I'm also going to replace the stock linkage with Dubro #2133-R 2mm swivel ball links. Thats just a personal preference.

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Somehow I think a 14 x 10 prop will be too big for the Hacker A30 - 10XL motor on 3S. I would have thought 12 x 6 or 8 would have been a good start and even consider going to 4S. I had the same size SBach and went to the 14L on 4S 2750 mAh and I use a similar setup on my 48" MXS. I get 6 mins flying if I do not go flat out from go to wo.
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Old Jun 25, 2015, 02:45 AM
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Its possible Watdazit, although sebart is usually spot on on their power system set up. 14x8 is recomended using the 14L in the plane according to instructions and web site. Also the Stev S30 with 14L is suggesting a 14x7. On another note, the Mytho S30 using the 10XL (motor I'm using) is suggesting a 14x10 according to web site. No manual for it yet. For their S-Bach they suggest the 10XL & 15x8 prop. And all those are suggesting 3S packs in the 2200 - 3300 range.

I have not run any calculations my self.

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Sebart recommended power set up for my Sukhoi 29 - 30 was Hacker A30-10XL with FlightPower 2170-3S or 2500-3S batteries and a APC 15x8E prop. It flew like a dead duck for 4 mins and props only lasted a few flights before they got a nick on them. I went to the Hacker A30 - 14 on 4S with a 12 x 6 and it transformed it to a much better plane. I sold the plane and the guy is still flying like that but instead of 2750 mAh he is using 5000 mAh 4S. I cannot say I think the heavier battery is a good idea in that the under carraige is a bit fragile.

I suppose it's how you fly which is the governing factor.
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Old Jun 25, 2015, 06:25 AM
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Thank you for the info. Much appreciated! I suppose only time will tell but I do have a heafty selection of props on hand. I'll certainly post my findings after it's test hop. Although I am not new to the hobby I am fairly new to the plane side and their power systems. And as you stated, flying style has alot to do with how you prop one. Looking forward to seeing what the data logger says and motor temps.

Thanks again for your input!

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I had my Mini Avant delivered the other day....could it be?

It's a waste of time telling you how well Sebart planes fly...you have a Wind 50. A fellow pilot tells me the Angels are even better. Once the Angel is dialed in I am sure it will be a pleasure to fly.
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Wings

All I got done today was run an iron over the wing halves and ailerons. Also glued the horns in. Once I had ironed the aileron covering I went back and hinged them and trued them up with wing trailing edge and tip. On light structure is so easy to get things out of shape and twisted if not careful.

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I had my Mini Avant delivered the other day....could it be?

It's a waste of time telling you how well Sebart planes fly...you have a Wind 50. A fellow pilot tells me the Angels are even better. Once the Angel is dialed in I am sure it will be a pleasure to fly.
Nah, nothing that exotic. It's my Stev S30.

I've herd the same thing. Also been thinking over your 4S & prop suggestions. The Angel will be perfect for flying at the industrial park not far from the house. Hundreds of feet of pavement in all directions and no traffic.

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Wing halves are done.

Finished up the wing halves this morning. The JR287's were a perfect fit.
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Fuselage is done.

Model is ready to maiden. Weight RTF is 3lbs 8oz. Static run-up on a APC 14x10E yielded 64.1A, 697W at 7537rpm on a 3S 3300 TP 25C pack. CG is dead on 140mm with battery butted up to wing spar. (range is 140-150) I set the model up with pattern throws and not 3D. 15mm, 12mm & 8mm. I built the model completely stock except for the wing atttach bolts. Stock are nylon and require a screwdriver to install. I used me usual 4mm cap screw with thumb screw knobs glued to them so it's a no tools plane. I really like the looks of the model and it's the typical SebArt quality. I do wish it had carbon gear though. Need to see if I can find something to replace it with.

If the wind calms down maybe I can maiden it this evening.

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