Jan 02, 2014, 02:23 PM Registered User Copenhagen, Denmark Joined Dec 2006 33 Posts Discussion Exponential for butterfly function I have tried to find a way to define differential/curve for the butterfly function but cannot make it work. Does anyone know if that is possible? Last edited by jbentsen; Jan 03, 2014 at 06:30 AM. Reason: Changed title
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 Jan 03, 2014, 04:18 AM Registered User Brisbane, Australia Joined Feb 2002 1,144 Posts Do you mean adjusting aileron differential when butterfly braking is active ? - First set aileron differential under the "Fine Tuning" menu - Next, go into "Butterfly" under the Fine Tuning menu, then "Ailerons/Flaps Adjustment - Modify "Dif. adjust" as required The "Dif Adjust" logic is as follows: - negative values of Dif Adjust are added to your "Down" aileron differential - positive values of Dif Adjust are added to your "Up" aileron differential. An example: - you set Up aileron differential as 90%, and Down aileron differential as 50% - if you set Dif Adjust to -25%, then the Down aileron value when butterfly is active will be 75% (Up aileron value will be unchanged at 90%) - if you set Dif Adjust to +25%, then the Up aileron value when butterfly is active will be 115% (Down aileron value will be unchanged at 50%) This is not described in the manual - I only worked it out by experimenting with a test model and watching the servo output screen when butterfly was active.
Jan 03, 2014, 06:29 AM
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 Originally Posted by Geoff_S Do you mean adjusting aileron differential when butterfly braking is active ? - First set aileron differential under the "Fine Tuning" menu - Next, go into "Butterfly" under the Fine Tuning menu, then "Ailerons/Flaps Adjustment - Modify "Dif. adjust" as required The "Dif Adjust" logic is as follows: - negative values of Dif Adjust are added to your "Down" aileron differential - positive values of Dif Adjust are added to your "Up" aileron differential. An example: - you set Up aileron differential as 90%, and Down aileron differential as 50% - if you set Dif Adjust to -25%, then the Down aileron value when butterfly is active will be 75% (Up aileron value will be unchanged at 90%) - if you set Dif Adjust to +25%, then the Up aileron value when butterfly is active will be 115% (Down aileron value will be unchanged at 50%) This is not described in the manual - I only worked it out by experimenting with a test model and watching the servo output screen when butterfly was active.
Sorry my mistake, it was not differential I was after but exponential/function curve for the butterfly.

What I want is that the butterfly effect graduately increases when I pull the P4 stick.
 Jan 03, 2014, 07:09 AM Registered User Brisbane, Australia Joined Feb 2002 1,144 Posts Just use a multiple-point function curve for P4 ?
Jan 03, 2014, 07:47 AM
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 Originally Posted by Geoff_S Just use a multiple-point function curve for P4 ?
And that's my problem I cannot make that work.

When defining the model P4 is not assigned to any function and even if I add P4 as a function and define a curve for that it has no influence on the butterfly function.
 Jan 03, 2014, 08:22 AM Registered User Brisbane, Australia Joined Feb 2002 1,144 Posts I see. I tried using a logical switch based on P4 and even that did not work. Perhaps you could ask Jeti directly ?
 Jan 03, 2014, 08:37 AM Registered User Copenhagen, Denmark Joined Dec 2006 33 Posts I will if nothing comes up here.
Jan 04, 2014, 09:32 AM
Michael
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Clarification, Please

I use P4 as my throttle stick. I also use P4 as a "LIN" control for a logical switch for when butterfly is enabled.

Using that as the butterfly control, if P4 is fully down, then I get the maximum up aileron deflection. As P4 is raised, then the upward deflected ailerons gradually go back to normal position. IIRC, I set the values such that, by mid-stick on P4, the butterfly/aileron effect is completely gone. This allows me to do a "go around" without having to flick switches, turn knobs, etc. I also use knob P8 to control the maximum amount of aileron deflection.

Is this what you have in mind? The term "exponential" makes me think that a non-linear adjustment of aileron deflection is what is desired and, as with the others, I also cannot seem to get that to work. Smooth, linear, reduction does work, as described above.

Michael
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 Originally Posted by jbentsen Sorry my mistake, it was not differential I was after but exponential/function curve for the butterfly. What I want is that the butterfly effect graduately increases when I pull the P4 stick.
Jan 04, 2014, 06:01 PM
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 Originally Posted by Snowflake6515 IIRC, I set the values such that, by mid-stick on P4, the butterfly/aileron effect is completely gone.
Yes I think this is exactly what jbentsen is after. How do you set it so that butterfly is gone at mid stick ? Everything I have tried indicates butterfly will vary linearly between stick end points and there is no way to make this relationship non linear.
Jan 05, 2014, 09:34 AM
Michael
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Butterfly Gone At Mid-Stick

On the first Butterfly screen, when I assigned a logical switch (CROW_ON and P4 (lin)), I also set OFFSET to 75%. Experiment with that value in conjunction with the "ailerons flaps adjustment" value 'till you get the upward deflected ailerons to behave as you want. I also found that the value associated with the P8 knob controlling the maximum crow effect (fine tuning sub-menu) had to be the same value as the "ailerons flaps adjustment" value.

It shows up well in the monitor screen, but even better on a model and, a low pass, as throttle is applied, it is nice to see the ailerons return to full normal.

Love this radio.

Michael
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 Originally Posted by Geoff_S Yes I think this is exactly what jbentsen is after. How do you set it so that butterfly is gone at mid stick ? Everything I have tried indicates butterfly will vary linearly between stick end points and there is no way to make this relationship non linear.
 Jan 05, 2014, 11:04 AM Registered User Copenhagen, Denmark Joined Dec 2006 33 Posts It's not what I'm after. For my DLG I use the ailerons as flaps during the thermal and to brake it coming in for landing. Defleksion is always down. For flaps I need Defleksion to be slow i.e. only give a small amount of flaps and for landing I need to be larger to get the brake function. I might be able to do this using some free mixes but it would be nice to get it in the butterfly menu.
Jan 05, 2014, 01:44 PM
Michael
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Change Sign

Change the sign of the "adjustment" portion to make ailerons BOTH go down (or up).

One advantage of the butterfly menu approach, as another poster pointed out, is that the delay feature is available for all the mixed elements.

Michael
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 Originally Posted by jbentsen It's not what I'm after. For my DLG I use the ailerons as flaps during the thermal and to brake it coming in for landing. Defleksion is always down. For flaps I need Defleksion to be slow i.e. only give a small amount of flaps and for landing I need to be larger to get the brake function. I might be able to do this using some free mixes but it would be nice to get it in the butterfly menu.
Jan 05, 2014, 04:07 PM
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 Originally Posted by Snowflake6515 Change the sign of the "adjustment" portion to make ailerons BOTH go down (or up). One advantage of the butterfly menu approach, as another poster pointed out, is that the delay feature is available for all the mixed elements. Michael
The aillerons are going the right way using P4 so no issues there.
I just need them to move in small increments to start with and in larger increments the more P4 is moved.

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