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Old Oct 02, 2014, 01:28 PM
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newbie needs suggestions of choosing the first plane

I went through some threads here, and right now I am settling on two, the cox sky cruiser, and the hobby king bixler 2. Any suggestions are welcome, as I want to have an RTF glider/sailplane with the pusher type prop (less likely to get damaged), and can fly slowly (so that I can learn the control). initial budget ~100.

thanks guys!

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Old Oct 02, 2014, 03:21 PM
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also thinking about getting an UMX radian with DX5e transmitter, but costs more
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Old Oct 02, 2014, 04:22 PM
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Bix 3 is bigger than both of those
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Old Oct 02, 2014, 04:25 PM
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this is probably a dumb question, but the bigger size the easier to control, and more stable? can also fly more slowly?
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Old Oct 02, 2014, 05:49 PM
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this is probably a dumb question, but the bigger size the easier to control, and more stable? can also fly more slowly?
A plane can be stable because of airframe design - high wing with dihedral ( wings angled up ) . A good example of that is the Champ , which is $90 RTF .

A plane can also be stable because of electronics technology such as SAFE . A good example of that is the Delta Ray , which is $180 RTF . It would be worth it to save another $80 and get a Delta Ray .

A plane can be slow flying if it has light wing loading ( maximum wing area / minimum weight ) . There are really no RTF planes available with very light wing loading except for the Night Vapor , which can fly very slowly , but can't be flown in ANY wind . The Night Vapor is $110 RTF .

Another option if you want a large slow flyer is to make it yourself . Here is one I've made with very light wing loading and a 60" wingspan .

FT Old Fogey-ish with 60" wingspan (1 min 56 sec)
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A plane can be stable because of airframe design - high wing with dihedral ( wings angled up ) . A good example of that is the Champ , which is $90 RTF .

A plane can also be stable because of electronics technology such as SAFE . A good example of that is the Delta Ray , which is $180 RTF . It would be worth it to save another $80 and get a Delta Ray .

A plane can be slow flying if it has light wing loading ( maximum wing area / minimum weight ) . There are really no RTF planes available with very light wing loading except for the Night Vapor , which can fly very slowly , but can't be flown in ANY wind . The Night Vapor is $110 RTF .

Another option if you want a large slow flyer is to make it yourself . Here is one I've made with very light wing loading and a 60" wingspan .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGLj43y-VUM
Wow, that looks really slow...... and thanks for the education

still need to decide on the first plane though. Champ is a popular one, but I just think pusher prop seems a safer option (could be wrong, please correct). among bix 2, bix 3, and champ, and others (please name), cannot decide No access to indoor space, I have to do it outside.
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Old Oct 02, 2014, 07:59 PM
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This how I learned to fly on my own in my backyard. First I bought Real Flight Basic flight simulator. I practiced on that until I was comfortable flying an rc plane. My first real plane was the Ember 2

http://www.amain.com/ParkZone-Ember-...FcgF7AodGWMAXQ

For $79 you get everything you need to start flying. My next plane was the Hobby Zone Champ... faster and more powerful than the Ember. Again for $89 you get everything you need to fly right in you backyard or park.

http://secure.hobbyzone.com/HBZ4900....FTAQ7Aodo1AA_w

Both are very stable slow flying trainer type planes. The only issue is wind...very calm to no wind flying the Ember...the Champ can handle a gentle breeze.

Good luck...it's a great hobby!!
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Old Oct 02, 2014, 08:40 PM
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Wow, that looks really slow...... and thanks for the education

still need to decide on the first plane though. Champ is a popular one, but I just think pusher prop seems a safer option (could be wrong, please correct). among bix 2, bix 3, and champ, and others (please name), cannot decide No access to indoor space, I have to do it outside.
I agree pusher prop is good for first time flying since the motor/prop won't be the first thing to hit the ground ( or people! ) when you crash . Any one of the well known pusher prop planes will work , although they're not going to be able to fly very slow . If it's slow pusher prop you want , you're going to have to make it yourself . An EzFly pusher prop plane can be made to fly slowly with an increased wing span and lightweight electronics . Here's one

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...2#post29232426

Copy of EzFly with under-cambered wing (1 min 57 sec)


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Old Oct 02, 2014, 08:59 PM
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also thinking about getting an UMX radian with DX5e transmitter, but costs more
I think UMX Radian is the best pick of three, you can get spare parts more easy. Plus the reviews are all positive.

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Old Oct 02, 2014, 09:27 PM
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This how I learned to fly on my own in my backyard. First I bought Real Flight Basic flight simulator. I practiced on that until I was comfortable flying an rc plane. My first real plane was the Ember 2

http://www.amain.com/ParkZone-Ember-...FcgF7AodGWMAXQ

For $79 you get everything you need to start flying. My next plane was the Hobby Zone Champ... faster and more powerful than the Ember. Again for $89 you get everything you need to fly right in you backyard or park.

http://secure.hobbyzone.com/HBZ4900....FTAQ7Aodo1AA_w

Both are very stable slow flying trainer type planes. The only issue is wind...very calm to no wind flying the Ember...the Champ can handle a gentle breeze.

Good luck...it's a great hobby!!
thanks for the advice. I will practice on a simulator first
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I agree pusher prop is good for first time flying since the motor/prop won't be the first thing to hit the ground ( or people! ) when you crash . Any one of the well known pusher prop planes will work , although they're not going to be able to fly very slow . If it's slow pusher prop you want , you're going to have to make it yourself . An EzFly pusher prop plane can be made to fly slowly with an increased wing span and lightweight electronics . Here's one

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...2#post29232426

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxaUadvhgbc

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really like the slow ones you posted! maybe will build one later. first one still will be purchased.
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Old Oct 02, 2014, 10:11 PM
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I think UMX Radian is the best pick of three, you can get spare parts more easy. Plus the reviews are all positive.

Edmond
just costs a bit more. I will certainly crash the first few flights
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Old Oct 03, 2014, 02:12 PM
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get the one you can most easily get the spares for...........if thats not an issue then get the one you like the look of
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Old Oct 03, 2014, 02:21 PM
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Big Trainer - Apprentice S

Medium trainer - Delta Ray

Small trainer - Sport Cub S

REALLY small trainer - Champ

Can't go wrong.
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Big Trainer - Apprentice S

Medium trainer - Delta Ray

Small trainer - Sport Cub S

REALLY small trainer - Champ

Can't go wrong.
after reading from another post, I will probably go with duet first. pretty cheap, and people saying it is easy to fly. If I find myself handle it fine, will go to the next level, with the cost ~ 150
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