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Old May 01, 2010, 06:55 AM
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Traction control - anti wheelie devices

So, here's a question for debate.

Should we allow anti wheelie or traction control devices on RC Bikes?

On one hand it will make the bikes last longer by avoiding damage from wheelies, on the other hand it takes some of the skill out of the driving.

On one hand it would make it so that anyone could drive a superbike like a throttle jockie, on the other hand it would add a level of technical/electric complication that could put people off.

What do you think?

The new Thudertiger SB5 bike has a slipper clutch on the layshaft, I wish the of road bikes did, but I can't see a use for it on a road bike. I know several people have thought of electrical feedback loops or mercury switches, tilt meters, accelerometers, or wheel speed differential methods to apply a brake or limit throttle openings and avoid terminal wheelies, but should it be encouraged, or not?

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Old May 01, 2010, 07:36 AM
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I am totally pro traction control devices and other electronic innovations because at some point this more sophisticated technology will be harder to copy than the rest of the bike (just look at the new 1:4 from HK!)
The driver as most important performance factor will still persist...
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Old May 01, 2010, 11:12 AM
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I'm for it. Slippers/traction control, gear boxes,(my full size has both) variable length c-vec/buku exhaust( doesn't cost more than a ti pipe). Are not aftermarket/upgrade tires, breaks, MGBB servos, digital radios, shocks/forks, steering dampeners, any engine that fits (regulated maybe by cc) allowed? There could be a stock class -no upgrades/aftermarket- and a pro or mod class for any thing goes. Michael
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Old May 01, 2010, 12:32 PM
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having a slipper clutch does not automatically allow any driver to go fast. it still needs a lot of skill. if the slipper is set loose then yes it prevents wheelies and the ensuing bike damage but your lap times won't be as fast as it could be. to go fast you need to tighten the slipper as tight as you dare or as tight as your throttle finger allows!

in summary the slipper does not take skill out of the equation. it can however save the bike from wheelie damage when in the hands of a novice driver.
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Old May 01, 2010, 05:15 PM
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I m with Torrance, if you are looking for fast laps, the hands of a good driver is the only traction control you need.
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Old May 01, 2010, 07:25 PM
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I m with Torrance, if you are looking for fast laps, the hands of a good driver is the only traction control you need.
Ditto...
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Old May 01, 2010, 08:13 PM
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Don't know where I stand on this one.... I think the skill level is what makes things interesting, and if if you take that away, things can get boring real quick...

But then you have the issue of technology, if no-one pushes the boundry the nothing really moves forward...

Programable speed controlers are at low level of traction control, add to this the adjustment available from even a mid level radio, and you can make things pretty tame, or really wild using all the same running gear and power supply... So isn't this already traction control... or rider aids... ???

HHHmmmm.... me not know which side of the fence to sit......
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Old May 01, 2010, 09:18 PM
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I'm for packing as much technology into rc models as their full sized cousins. End of story for me, not that anyone else likely gives a

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Old May 01, 2010, 10:29 PM
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I'm one of those bored guys working on an electronic version of traction control. My version takes control away from the driver on the throttle and brakes (maybe even steering at some point). I would hate to see something like this in anything but a highly-modified class. On the other hand, traction control from a slipper does not really add any "smarts" to the bikes. It is just another tuning parameter to be taken into account along with the surface/tires/foams/etc. It's a compromise between faster acceleration and flipping the bike. Now I only wish we had more racers in Houston to race with so my opinion matters

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Old May 02, 2010, 12:31 AM
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Here's another issue I can see... With a quality traction control system fitted to your " pro " class bike, this really exspensive two wheeled r/c rocket is now even easier to use than the much cheaper " stock " bike... Thus dis-heartning a bunch of guys starting to get into the hobby.....
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Old May 02, 2010, 01:42 AM
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I feel the same way about RC motorcycle racing as I feel about F1. We should accept and embrace innovation as it comes up, be it in technology or design. Stifling the class for the sake of keeping it "even" is not in the spirit of racing. For F1, that means enough with these engine and even the budget limits -- Bernie is trying to turn it into into friggin' NASCAR, which isn't the sprit of F1.

That doesn't mean I feel that there shouldn't be rules, just that we should examine things like traction control devices and come up with rules on how to best implement it.

Oh, but I do still feel that if if doesn't have a rider out in the open, it isn't a motorcycle.
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Old May 02, 2010, 02:56 AM
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These sorts of arguements having been going on for years. The change from NiCad to NiMh, now to LiPo or LiFe cells. Resistor speedies, or electronic, Brushed or brushless motors. Every advancement, mechanical or electrical, will always be met with resistance, especially, if it seems to give an advantage for competition.

The new breed of intelligent speedies is growing, as the need to control higher capacity batteries and higher performance motors. For example, the new Mamba from Castle Creations.http://www.castlecreations.com/produ...a_max_pro.html
Are we going to ban these as well.

OK, stock class, yes, allow some restrictions, but, the superbike class, should be anything goes. as long as the bike meets the dimensional and capacity rules.

I think it was only last year at a major 1/12thscale car meet in Europe, there was talk of banning the entire Associated team because the tyres they used were unique and not available to any other racer.
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Old May 02, 2010, 03:58 AM
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Any mechanical soution should be allowed.
Anything more complicated than a slipper will cause problems anyway
ANY electronic Gyroscopic stuff should be banned.
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Old May 02, 2010, 06:25 AM
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Man did you guys just watch the moto2 race from Jerez ? Now there's your answer... Limited in all aspects, apart from set up and riding ability, awsome racing
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Old May 02, 2010, 10:04 AM
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Any mechanical soution should be allowed.
Anything more complicated than a slipper will cause problems anyway
ANY electronic Gyroscopic stuff should be banned.
I'm with Edi. All mechancical bits and inovations are allowed, only adjustable in the pits. No electric gizmo's, otherwise "everyone" could drive a bike fast....driving RC bike is a skill
Sure inovations are a great thing, if everything is/was allowed in racing. Then the people with the deepest wallet will win the race.
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