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Old Jul 28, 2014, 06:21 PM
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Long and short, it has to do with the style of wing loading and the lift in which said wing creates?
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Old Jul 29, 2014, 07:29 AM
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Long and short, it has to do with the style of wing loading and the lift in which said wing creates?
More about which part of the wing stops creating lift relative to the rest of the wing.

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Old Jul 29, 2014, 08:25 AM
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Hi Tim,

Agree the flare out is very important... first prop in 7 flights I believe, so I guess not to bad.

I have a question... why do some planes use Flaperons and others, such as the Rifle use Spoilerons. I note "slower" airplanes seem to use flaps... I noted this 10+ years ago with my Ultra Sport 40, spoilers made for an easier landing as its a slippery pattern type airplane.

Also have you experimented with more spoilers than the recommend amount and if so what are the effects.

thanks!
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Hi Tauseef.

I have to admit, I do not know the aerodynamics behind flaperons vs. spoilerons. I do know that unanimously planes configured like the Rifle 1M (relatively high wing loading, thin airfoil, high aspect ratio, inboard ailerons) use spoilerons.

After the regular Rifle, my next racer-type was a Sunracer. At first I used flaperons and was quite happy with them. But others urged me to use spoilerons instead. So then I did back-to-back flight comparisons with flaperons vs. spoilerons and even then I still preferred flaperons (my testing is documented in the Sunracer VIII thread starting about here if you wanted to re live my experience:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...nracer&page=19 )

But after a little more experimenting I came to realize that the plane was more stable on landing with spoilerons, so that's what I started using and have never changed.

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Old Jul 29, 2014, 09:51 PM
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30 amp esc? I think the stock motor pulls 50 amps + on 3s and like high 30's on 2s.
What do you mean how do we keep the motor wires from eating themselves.


Gotcha, I was wondering
It is an outrunner with the wires folded around it. I was thinking of making two tiny holes in the side of the fuse and run a tiny wire or maybe a zip through and tie them to the side to hold them away from the motor.
You know most hobby things are highly over rated . (AKA fraud, lies, etc) A 30A ESC will most likely actually be 20A.
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Old Jul 30, 2014, 08:45 AM
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Finished assembling mine last night. Only complaint I have is that there was some glue (epoxy?) in the thread of one of the wing blind-nuts, so I couldn't get the bolt in.

I managed to get a 4-40 bolt in, in the end, but still can't get the supplied bolt in one side. I wonder if maybe the blind-nut was wrong?
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Old Jul 30, 2014, 09:13 AM
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They wouldn't have substituted a 4-40 blind nut for a 3mm blind nut. Probably just some glue got into the threads.

The included wing bolts are 3mm. I wonder if using a 4-40 bolt will be secure.

You should be able to clean out the threads just by running a 3mm tap through the blind nut. Smallish, but pretty common and should be able to get from the tool section at a hardware store or a hobby shop.

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Old Jul 30, 2014, 12:00 PM
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Also if you don't have a 3mm tap available (best option) you can use another 3 mm bolt and cut a slot into it with a dremel cut off wheel or grinder.

Run the bolt a few times to clean out the threads.

I've used that in a bind when a 3mm tap was not readily available.

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Old Jul 30, 2014, 12:04 PM
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Will I have damaged the thread with the 4-40 bolt?
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Old Jul 30, 2014, 12:12 PM
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Will I have damaged the thread with the 4-40 bolt?
I doubt it. The 4-40 if I recall is just a tiny bit thinner than the M3 bolt. The M3 has a finer pitch on the threads.

I'd just cut a slot in another M3 and run it through. See f it holds.

Probably easiest way for now.

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Old Jul 30, 2014, 10:20 PM
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Today was a great flying day. While I was out mainly testing out some mega motors a good friend hooked me up with. Between flights I did have the rifle 1m up. I had 3 65c batts and one 55c 3s. Wot the whole flight 3:30 almost 4min flight. I had the cam set up, wish I could share it but the angle was horrible and out of the 10 min video you only see the rifle 1m 3 times the rest I was out of frame. Sounded sweet though. Sunday I'll try again. I need some more footage to practice editing. My GPS should be here Friday so I'll be able to get some good speed test....
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Old Jul 30, 2014, 10:36 PM
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Today was a great flying day. While I was out mainly testing out some mega motors a good friend hooked me up with. Between flights I did have the rifle 1m up. I had 3 65c batts and one 55c 3s. Wot the whole flight 3:30 almost 4min flight. I had the cam set up, wish I could share it but the angle was horrible and out of the 10 min video you only see the rifle 1m 3 times the rest I was out of frame. Sounded sweet though. Sunday I'll try again. I need some more footage to practice editing. My GPS should be here Friday so I'll be able to get some good speed test....
If have good audio you can do doppler off of the video.
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Old Jul 31, 2014, 01:49 AM
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Esprit shows one in stock. I'd buy it, but I have one on back order from Tower. I've taken on other projects and kinda back-burnered the rifle for now. Days are getting noticeably shorter here in MN...

http://www.espritmodel.com/rifle-1m-...racer-arf.aspx

Hope somebody here gets it. I think they have 11% off store-wide for the next 48 hrs too.
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