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Old Apr 22, 2014, 04:38 PM
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skyartec nano cpx brushless vs Wltoys v977

so after looking for some new 6ch helicopter
i narrowed down to this 2 helicopters (the hisky HCP100 is an option but less cuz of none BL)
as i read the wasp nano cpx has some problems and poor durability but better TX
and some CNC parts
the v977 is good but the tx is abit laydown in compare to the wasp nano cpx 1
it has better battery and better construction as i read.
both are for around 100usd
so which 1 should i get?
or there better option at this price?
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Old Apr 23, 2014, 02:03 AM
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I know nothing about either of these helis but if you plan on staying in the hobby I suggest a blade nano cpx and a spektrum tx. Much more durable and easy to get parts to fix when it breaks. If you want to stick with one of your 2 choices I'd go with the one with the better tx as the heli only flies as good as the tx.
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Old Apr 23, 2014, 03:08 AM
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or buy a walkera super cp with a devo 7e or 10, or buy a devo 7e and fly some other heli with deviation. That way you have a good tx. The wncpx is the best value/ flying 100 sized heli i know but it needs durability mods to be durable in a crash. I would stay away form the v977 like the plauge until wltoys releases speares.
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Old Apr 23, 2014, 04:12 AM
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or buy a walkera super cp with a devo 7e or 10, or buy a devo 7e and fly some other heli with deviation. That way you have a good tx. The wncpx is the best value/ flying 100 sized heli i know but it needs durability mods to be durable in a crash. I would stay away form the v977 like the plauge until wltoys releases speares.
there are spares parts now
but why the wncpx so not durable as all talk about in compare to other helicopters?
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Old Apr 23, 2014, 05:18 AM
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ok I wasent up to date on that then, I cant say anything else about the v977 i dont own one. The wncpx plastic is slightly worse than others, and rotory servos are always less durable than linear ones but they fly better. After upgrading to a metal head/swash and glueing a cf rod to the servo holder its as slightly more durable than a v922/hcp100. Durability wise its been for me:

modded WNCPX > v922 > Super Cp > stock WNCPX > 450/250

Flight carectaristics:

450/250 > WNCPX > V922 >>>> Super cp (i hate fighting walkeras self leveling fbl units)
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Old Apr 23, 2014, 07:59 AM
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Hi all, saw this post as i was looking for further information about the Skyartec Wasp Nano, so thought i would come and join RC groups.

To be honest i have one of the Skyartec NANO's, the Autoinvert version. have to say the model is tough - as an experienced flyer of fixed wing with little experience of heli's this has been brilliant.
The heli has been stable and agile as needed, i now have it trimmed hands off hover.

Someone mentioned that they are fragile - not in my experience, the only issue have found has been the tail skid broke off early on, hasn't bothered me but may have a bearing on why I have broken two tail rotors. I have also replaced the main blades but mainly because I chipped the originals against a wall being clever.
it has been flown indoors, outdoors, even through to inverted not a single issue with it and it has been crashed a few times - hard sometimes as i got the hang of inverted .
I have tried the Blade and to be honest while it is a great bit of kit, once you have added a spekky tx you could have bought a couple of the Skyartec helis and a some spares too, hence why i went for the Skyartec one.

Anyway, thats my 2c worth,
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Old Apr 23, 2014, 08:24 AM
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so someone can compare those both?
because the V977 is newer and better battery but the only laydown is the tx that the wncpx has better tx.
im really torn between those 2
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Old Apr 23, 2014, 08:26 AM
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Walkera and Blade offer a broard range/ size helis/ Quads. Devo/ Spectrum have some awesomw computer radios. Their quality is very good and nice birds.
skyatec has computer radio but only a few helis and TX works with nothing else.
WL toys has no computer radio. Now this maybe fine for Joe Bargain.
There are no clones over 100 sized c/p's. Parts are not available other than online over seas vendors..wait time. The V977 bl is weak and WL toys has five different protocols in its line up.
Blade has Spectrum/ Walkera has Devo. Devo 10 can be flashed to fly Devo/ pre DEVO Walkera/ Spectrum/ Futaba/ others etc. You could have one radio to fly almost all current helis/ quads. Plus cost is lower than DX6i.
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Old Apr 23, 2014, 08:38 AM
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the thing is im not going to take this hobby too far.
just a 100usd 3d capable helicopter...
i wont buy new1 till this 1 is completely dead( and it can be due to all the cheap spares)
so the " 1 tx rule them all" concept isnt for me.
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Old Apr 23, 2014, 10:45 AM
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that sentiment tends to change fast. but if your set on it the wncpx is the better choice since the durability of the v977 isn't too good either as far as I can tell from reading the tread, also spears are expensive. unless you like 6axis quad style self leveling (I hate it)
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Old Apr 23, 2014, 12:26 PM
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A BL heli is bound to be less durable than its brushed counterpart so it is likely that you will be spending more on spares later on. My experience with brushless motors is that they only last up to 50% more flights before they need to be replaced. I did not find that the V977 much more powerful than the V922. I have only had two flights so I cannot comment that much. The last flight ended up with a crash into a fence that resulted in two stripped servos. I hope this is an isolated incident but it would be best to wait for more user feed backs.

No manufacturer has made a 100 sized BL heli that is relatively devoid of problems. Definitely not the mCPX BL or the Trex 150. Walkera gave up making one after the V100D03BL a couple of years ago. You could end up spending much more money in the long term if you go with a BL heli now.
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Old Apr 24, 2014, 10:22 AM
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Above post right on. Now if you want a nice flyer with bl main...Nano CP-X with bl upgrade kit. Lite and very agile. Yes more $$ but tough little bird. Its plug and play bl kit and works fine. E-flite 45c batteries Rock on !!. If you like little cp's and like computer radios.
Plus parts are very easy to get go Blade or Walkera. Devo 10 flashed with fly both Blade/ Walkera and others., Even older WK non Devo. I know $$ has alot to do but both V922/ V977 are not anything special. V922 is touchy/ V977 not much different and no big gain in power.
They may be fine helis. Later down the road and you want to go bigger, no clones here.
WL toys is having some real issues with QC. Hey your dime, just input from very active flyer. I have been flying c/p for a year with six WK c/p's/ and Six Blade c/p's. All are still flying great after a solid year. I flew 4 ch f/p/ FBL 4ch f/p/ and multi Quads for year before c/p's.
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Old Apr 24, 2014, 01:18 PM
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A BL heli is bound to be less durable than its brushed counterpart so it is likely that you will be spending more on spares later on. My experience with brushless motors is that they only last up to 50% more flights before they need to be replaced. I did not find that the V977 much more powerful than the V922. I have only had two flights so I cannot comment that much. The last flight ended up with a crash into a fence that resulted in two stripped servos. I hope this is an isolated incident but it would be best to wait for more user feed backs.

No manufacturer has made a 100 sized BL heli that is relatively devoid of problems. Definitely not the mCPX BL or the Trex 150. Walkera gave up making one after the V100D03BL a couple of years ago. You could end up spending much more money in the long term if you go with a BL heli now.
Did I read it right? A brushless motor is less durable than a brushed motor?

Anyways I have about 50 flights on my Skyartec Wasp Nano CP Brushed. I crashed it hard about 10 times on hard surfaces, i.e. concrete garage floor, drywall, steel shelving and about a dozen times on soft surfaces, i.e. carpet, mattress, before I needed to replace the tail motor mount. I did not know how to use Throttle Hold then, as well.

Fly the WNCP in a field with high grass and you'll be good for many crashes...or until you learn how to fly.
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Old Apr 29, 2014, 03:13 PM
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V922 against wasp Nano CPx BL

Hello, my opinion:

I started flying helis last year with coax, then single rotor, then V922 and V933,
in the meantime I enjoy inverted flight, flips and similar easy 3D.

I'm flying the V922 (2 models) now for around 400 charges of the standard 300mAh batts, normal and inverted. The brushed motor is not the most costly spare: it is the mainboard you will need around every 100 - 200 charges and about every 3rd mainboard will be faulty. The motor takes usually more than 100 charges and the part which is normally destroyed first is the copper gear (for which there is no spare part).
If you are willing to get into easy 3D flight (flips, inverted flight etc) the V933 or Hisky equivalent FBL80 is the most crashresistent heli i know (from around 400 batt charges with 2 models, training mainly inverted flight and flips over a meadow) and for that reason a good companion for the V922 (which dislikes fullspeed crashes). The V933 has even higher mainboard destruction rates, around 100 charges of the standard 180mAh batts are already good).

In the meantime I have also 2 wasp nano cpx BL, which I still try to adjust (the standard settings of the Tx are not good enough). I really have to say against the V922 with brushed motor the Wasp CPx behaves like having no gyro!!! It flies completely unstable and the tail wags like hell (maybe this is what a pro needs for things like piroflips? I do not). If you keep in mind that the mainboard also is about double prize compared to the V922 it makes no sense to choose the brushless motor for economy.
And for all other reasons except professional 3D performance (which I cannot judge) I would say the V922 or V933 are by far the better helis (this knowledge cost me around 200$). The adjustable Tx is a feature I thought to be very interesting/necessary, but in fact it offers not much against the already well adjusted Tx of the V922/933. The wagging tail cannot be corrected that way and the gyro adjustment for aileron and elevator are anyway on the mainboard - where you have to take the canopy off for every adjustment.
If you take the Blade micro helis pls keep in mind what the mainboards of these cost as spares! This is what I would call prohibitive.
If you want to get deeper into micro heli flying (which is by far the best I know with limited space and very big joy when you begin to get in deeper) cost is much higher than most people think: under about 300$ for 2 same models (e.g. one V922 each RTF and BNF, full spare part box (20 tail rotors, 20 main rotor blades, 5-10 main axis, 5-10 tail booms.. 5 main and tail motors.. 2 -3 mainboards ...around 10-15 batteries, landing skids, mainframes..) there is nothing to have. With less you will only be waiting weeks and weeks for spares instead of flying. A really good addition to 2 V922's are 2 V933's when you are able to fly V922 more than 1 minute without crashing and are able to hover in all directions. The second 300$.

The BL motor seems to me now just a much overdiscussed feature. At least I am clearly disappointed as well of the Wasp CPx as of the Blade SR which I still hope I will manage to fly with some fun when I will not crash any more. The problem of micro helis with tail motors seem to be more on the tailmotor side! You will not even be able to use spontaneous full throttle of V922 without getting tail blowout - even more with a BL main motor.

kind regards and clear skies
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Old Apr 29, 2014, 08:19 PM
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Did I read it right? A brushless motor is less durable than a brushed motor?
A heli with a brushless motor usually spins the rotor at a higher head speed and therefore crashes will likely result in more damage. This is what has been reported for brushless conversions of the mPCX, Mini CP and others.
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