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Old Feb 16, 2012, 05:16 PM
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Predicted increase in Western US wildfires

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0214134936.htm

This is a press release on a study of factors involved in wildfire frequency and intensity in the Western USA. It takes into account a number of factors, global warming included. It gives an analysis of past fire regimes and discusses the effects of the little ice age and the medieval warm period. This strikes me as the kind of based on history, multifactor analysis that might actually come up with accurate predictions of the future. I'd encourage reading the whole release, as some of the most interesting things, I thought, were down toward the bottom.
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Old Feb 16, 2012, 05:25 PM
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Let me guess... more global warming mythology ?

The warmer cultists are 0 for how many now ? I guess if you toss crap at the wall long enough, sooner or later a piece will stick, huh ?

But why bother pretending to be academics at this point ? Heck, a monkey can toss crap at a wall.
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Old Feb 16, 2012, 05:30 PM
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I could not agree with you less.
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Old Feb 16, 2012, 05:53 PM
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Monkey throwing poop (1 min 19 sec)


Wrong again. Monkeys throw crap all the time.
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Old Feb 16, 2012, 06:42 PM
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Sorry, I posted an interesting link, but not the one I intended (which does not involve monkeys). It is fixed now. This study is unusual in that it is done more or less in house, at the University of Oregon. As you know, most modern scientific studies are multiauthor, and usually people from different institutions. Some years ago, NSF warned against the "guy down the hall" syndrome. When you write up a grant request, you want the best people possible involved. That is usually not the guy down the hall, at least at a minor university. I thought this went against trying to strengthen one's own faculty. But, in any case, I have published only three papers coauthored with another faculty member, about 5% of my total publications. In two cases, the coauthors were top notch, in the third, the coauthor came to me for help.

So I think the wildfire study is, in part, a brag about how good the University of Oregon is in this particular area.
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Old Feb 16, 2012, 06:49 PM
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If they're so great, why not make their living educating students instead of pandering for pork from DC ?
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Old Feb 16, 2012, 07:08 PM
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Professors deal in knowledge in three ways. They create new knowledge; this is the research aspect. They conserve knowledge; this is the teaching aspect. They use knowledge to make the world a better place; this is the service aspect. They also do a certain amount of administrative stuff around the university, but most have this at the bottom of the list. This is the ideal view of the professorship. The proportions of effort vary from time to time, and from professor to professor. The mix I had in my career suited me pretty well.

You notice that a fair number of people involved in the wildfire study were, in fact, students at the University of Oregon.
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Old Feb 16, 2012, 07:24 PM
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I could swear I saw a thread on this same topic last year about this time....

Based on what I can see from my little corner of the world, there were fires, but the universe didn't come to an end. Just like it happens every year. So, is there a point to this thread?

My disclaimer is I did not watch the vid, so there may be some salient point presented.
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Old Feb 16, 2012, 08:12 PM
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I got around to watching the vid. It is not a vid of a monkey, but rather of our closest living cousin, a chimpanzee.

There has been quite a bit of work on the increase in western wildfires. I thought this one did a good job of considering all the factors involved, and putting it all in historical context.
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Old Feb 16, 2012, 08:15 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGvD5OSkJ_Q

Wrong again. Monkeys throw crap all the time.
I thought that was an occupier!
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Old Feb 16, 2012, 10:00 PM
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"Short-term peaks in fires were associated with abrupt climate changes -- warming or cooling."

I'm convinced man has influence on wild fires and suppressing them artificially only makes the potential for devastation worse. it's like thinking the government should control the economy or counterfeit its way out of debt. When that bomb goes off, it will negate all efforts at control.

As for the fire record showing a correlation with abrupt climate change, that tells me that nature has ways of regulating itself and like economies, you gotta let it do its thing because its foolish to think man can control it.
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Old Feb 16, 2012, 10:53 PM
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The people who do the worst to the environment is the so called environmentalists. They keep people off the land and clearing the brush, so when a fire does happen it has too much fuel and you end up with scorched earth and then mud slides like in callyfornia.
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Old Feb 17, 2012, 12:02 AM
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No you cant cut any trees, no no you can cut any under growth it has to be natural.
Well you know how nature deals with a weak overgrown forest ?
NOOOOooooooo put it out,put it out

Knew a logging company owner , told me of how he talked to a local mountain community about thinning out their area and making it more healthy and resistant to fire through mangament.....standard no, get out, you aint cutting our forest
Now they mange little trees and charcoal
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Old Jun 28, 2012, 01:37 AM
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I'm surprised nobody is talking about the Co. wildfires

Looks like they are massive!

Prayers are not enough to counter the hot tears of the oppressed!

If we want these catastrophes of Biblical proportions such as fires, tornadoes and floods to stop, the US Leadership had better stop oppressing people around the world!

Oppressed peoples' prayers are always answered!
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Old Jun 28, 2012, 03:26 AM
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This thread was a bit too intellectual for some here, and they proved it ain't just monkeys that like to throw feces...
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