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Old Aug 08, 2011, 12:52 PM
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USA F3J Team Selections

We are thrilled to announce the entry for the USA F3J Team selections are now open.

Later this year with the help from many in our soaring community and the members from both the Orlando Buzzards and the Indian River Kontrol Society, we are excited to be hosting this year’s F3J US Team Selections.

• When – October 28th, 29th and 30th.
• Where - Space Coast Aeromodeling Park, located on the south side of the Central Disposal Facility at 2250 Adamson Road, Cocoa, Fl
• CD – Philip A. Renaud

This year’s Team Selections will be using the new “F3B winch rule” and “Junior rule” that Tom Kiesling will add in this thread soon.
A big thank you to Jim Monaco as we will be using his very successful Timing and scoring system at this event.
This will allow all of you that are unable to make the event, to follow online.

We are also looking for as many helpers as we can. So if anyone is attending the event and not flying, please let us know if you would like to become a volunteer.
We will also be offering our volunteers prizes from our sponsors for their effort.
If you have any questions or would like to become a Sponsor, please send me a PM.

Again thanks to all of you that have helped making this Team Selections possible with a special thanks to Tom Kiesling, Gordon Buckland, Jim Monaco, Philip Renaud and all members from the IRKS and Buzzards.

A link to this thread will also be added into the F3X forum Group.

http://www.irks.org/

Cheers,
Thomas
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Old Aug 08, 2011, 12:53 PM
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Are all of the entry cost for juniors the same as the seniors?
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Old Aug 09, 2011, 08:48 AM
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Flying field access for the Team Selects is via the gate here

The actual address for the entrance gate that can be found via Google Maps etc is: 1050 Adamson Rd Cocoa, FL 32926

Coordinants of actual flying field for Google Earth or GPS etc are: 28.389041,-80.832192

There are a variety of local hotels minutes from the flying field and close to all the attractions at Cocoa Beach. These hotels are varying in quality and s occasionally are in demand during peak seasons etc. Book early and avoid disappointment.

Best Western Cocoa


Days Inn Cocoa

Holiday Inn Express Cocoa

Clarion Hotel Port Canaveral


Hotel Rooms in the Kissimmee area or near Orlando International Airport are plentiful and are approx 30 to 45 minute drive from the flying field. (This may suit those wanting to bring family to enjoy Universal or Disney etc. while they fly.)
Gordon
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Hello Everyone,

I have to apologize for some of the confusion regarding the program fees and the entry fees. The fees on the form above are correct. The original program announcement had stated that the program fee was $25 and the entry fee was $75.

The entry fee was listed before there were bids submitted. The winning bid budgeted for a $100 entry fee. After further refinement of the budget the host club had to increase the entry fee to $110. 50% of the entry fee automatically goes into the team fund to help support the team to go to South Africa. The rest is available to cover the host clubs expenses. Anything left over will go into the team fund as well.

Regarding the $25 dollar vs $20 program entry fee, somewhere from year to year the number on the official program document was changed from $20 to $25. I missed this in reviewing the final version that got sent out. The correct number required by the Blue Book governing the US FAI teams is $20. If you have already paid the $25 dollar fee, then you will be credited $5 toward your entry fee. If you have already paid $100 for your program fee and entry fee please send an additional $30 to Colleen at the AMA.

For those that are wondering what the program fee is, it is money that goes to the team fund and it provides a method for the AMA to keep track of people active in the FAI programs. This is primarily for programs that have qualifying events where not everyone in the program goes to the finals.

Junior entry fees will be the same as the seniors. It has always been this way.

While the costs may seem high to some, I think it is important to remember that the majority of the fees go directly into the team fund. This fund is in addition to the money that the AMA pays to support the team. For those that are not aware, the AMA actually does pay a fair amount to support our teams (especially the F3J teams). They cover entry fees, hotel for the days of the world championship plus one night before and after, food for the same days, plus $400 per team member. The F3J team can cost the AMA around $18k. The team typically needs to raise on the order of $30k to cover the rest of the costs. So the entry fees and program fees are just a small start to covering those expenses.

Thanks everyone and sorry again for any confusion.

Tom

Additional information from Gordon regarding the batteries (note that the DEKA DP24 and DP24M are the same thing - some retailers just like to add the M):

There has been a few questions regarding the legal batteries for the Team Selection event. Hopefully I can clarify this. The word document at the top of this thread states that the DEKA DP24M battery being supplied at the event is 515CCA. It is true that they are labelled as 515CCA but the manufacturer states that they are in fact rated at 500 CCA.

The battery supplied at the event for rent will be a DEKA DP24M.

The DEKA DP24 battery is rated at exactly 500 CCA by the manufacturer.

Some of the labels on DEKA DP24 batteries available from Marine stores etc may indicate 515 CCA or even 550 CCA. Regardless of what the Label says - if it is a DEKA DP24 battery it is 500CCA and IT WILL be acceptable at the event.

If you purchase a battery prior to the event we recommend that it is a DEKA DP24.

If you buy any other brand of battery it will not be accepted unless it is labelled as 500CCA or less.

Hope that is clear enough. Thanks
Gordon
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Old Aug 10, 2011, 05:59 PM
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Unofficial Team Selection official roster

I am starting a list of volunteer officials for the team selection contest.
Anyone interested in helping can sign up for a selected time to officiate.
This is a 3 day selection process. One can sign up for a select day, a portion of a day, or the whole event.
Please come out and gain the unique opportunity to eves drop on the best pilots in the nation flying all out to clench a spot and represent our country in the world champs being held in South Africa!

Great news! The volunteer section of the Team Selection web site is up. Please go to this link http://f3xevents.com/dev/f3jvsched.pl#Signup to sign up and enter your contact information.
Thanks to Jim Monaco!!!!

Friday:
1 Randy Everly
2 Miami Mike
3 Jerry Okeefe
4 Ron Taylor
5 Gabriel Rouzer
6 Dave Platt
7 Jamie Mercado
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Saturday:
1 Lewis Gray
2 Tom Galloway
3 Jerry Okeefe
4 Randy Everly
5 Miami Mike
6 Ron Taylor
7 Gabriel Rouzer
8 Dave Platt
9 Charles Gray
10 Jamie Mercado
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Sunday:
1 Lewis Gray
2 Tom Galloway
3 Jerry Okeefe
4 Randy Everly
5 Miami Mike
6 Ron Taylor
7 Gabriel Rouzer
8 Dave Platt
9 Charles Gray
10 Ed White
11 Jamie Mercado
12 Ray Alanso
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Thanks guys!!!
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Old Aug 14, 2011, 08:17 AM
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Jody, I am going to try to volunteer as a timer for the three days. I will need to check with my boss though.

Randy
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Old Aug 21, 2011, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by aussief3b View Post
Flying field access for the Team Selects is via the gate here

The actual address for the entrance gate that can be found via Google Maps etc is: 1050 Adamson Rd Cocoa, FL 32926

Coordinants of actual flying field for Google Earth or GPS etc are: 28.389041,-80.832192

There are a variety of local hotels minutes from the flying field and close to all the attractions at Cocoa Beach. These hotels are varying in quality and s occasionally are in demand during peak seasons etc. Book early and avoid disappointment.

Best Western Cocoa


Days Inn Cocoa

Holiday Inn Express Cocoa

Clarion Hotel Port Canaveral


Hotel Rooms in the Kissimmee area or near Orlando International Airport are plentiful and are approx 30 to 45 minute drive from the flying field. (This may suit those wanting to bring family to enjoy Universal or Disney etc. while they fly.)
Gordon


Cant wait this should be fun!
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Old Aug 23, 2011, 09:38 PM
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Team Selection Local Registration is Open

In addition to registering for the program and paying with the AMA it is necessary to register and set up your teams with the TS organizer. The website for information about the TS is:
http://f3xevents.com/

This information allows the organizer to set up the matrix, organize scorecards and manage frequencies.

The direct link to registration is:
http://f3xevents.com/dev/EventRegist...NT=F3J TS 2011

Please start setting up your teams online. Note that you must be registered in order to create or join a team.

The details of the rules being used and the logistics of the event are on the web page above.

It's going to be a great event - be there or be square...
Jim Monaco
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Old Aug 26, 2011, 11:29 PM
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Hey, the web page at http://f3xevents.com/ has some messed up links. The pilot's list for the F3J TS shows pilots for the CASL F3J event, and vice-versa. Don't know what else is wrong in there.

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Old Aug 27, 2011, 08:36 AM
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Hmmm - looks like the page does not refresh if you look at more than one pilot list. Try hitting the refresh button pon your browser.

F5 or CTRL-F5 in IE...

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Should be working without the refresh now...
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There has been a few questions regarding the legal batteries for the Team Selection event. Hopefully I can clarify this. The word document at the top of this thread states that the DEKA DP24M battery being supplied at the event is 515CCA. It is true that they are labelled as 515CCA but the manufacturer states that they are in fact rated at 500 CCA.
  1. The battery supplied at the event for rent will be a DEKA DP24M.
  2. The DEKA DP24 battery is rated at exactly 500 CCA by the manufacturer.
  3. Some of the labels on DEKA DP24 batteries available from Marine stores etc may indicate 515 CCA or even 550 CCA. Regardless of what the Label says - if it is a DEKA DP24 battery it is 500CCA and IT WILL be acceptable at the event.
  4. If you purchase a battery prior to the event we recommend that it is a DEKA DP24.
  5. If you buy any other brand of battery it will not be accepted unless it is labelled as 500CCA or less.
Hope that is clear enough. Thanks
Gordon
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Old Sep 08, 2011, 06:48 AM
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Gordon,

Something to be aware of is that the internal resistance of the battery as measured may be quite a bit different than the CCA label suggests.

The last time I bought a winch battery I ended up talking to the guy at the battery store about what I was looking for. He brought out a CCA tester, which is a device that measures the battery voltage under zero load then applies a very low resistance load and measures the amperage and outputs the internal resistance of the battery. We proceeded to test a bunch of different batteries in the store. Turned out that the lowest resistance battery in the store was labeled a lowly 400 CCA. It had a higher voltage under load than the batteries labeled 700 CCA. In fact, we had a near zero correlation on the internal resistance under load with the CCA label... Not sure just what this means, but the lesson I learned is that some XXX CCA ratings are "more equal" than others at the same XXX CCA ratings.
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Old Sep 08, 2011, 10:52 AM
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Joe,

Thanks for that info. At the F3B World Championships in Switzerland we were provided very low resistance batteries. I can tell you one thing for sure about them is that it was difficult to get our winches to meet the resistance spec using those batteries. We had to do some serious modifications to our resistors to get the resistance high enough to pass.

That said, for the purposes of our team selection, you must have a battery with a 500 CCA rating or less. In the case of the DEKA DP24 or DP24M battery, it is okay if the label says 515 or 550 CCA - the manufacturer has confirmed that it is a 500 CCA battery. The resistance of the DEKA DP24 is "normal" and I don't expect people to have any issues with getting their winches to pass if they have tested them successfully before.

Thanks,
Tom
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