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Old Apr 24, 2011, 01:29 AM
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Foam is the last nail in the coffin for creative modeling. The fast-food industry will kill all the craftsmanship. Indeed, why baking a cake when you can buy one around the corner? Faster, cheaper, easier. Looks cool, flies like a brick, who cares..
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Old Apr 24, 2011, 01:36 AM
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Tail-heavy, obviously



( Ok, Ok, take this one as a joke, I actually like this banana-shape )
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Old Apr 24, 2011, 02:16 AM
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What is with the haters. Just because you like balsa and saran-rap better than fiberglass or foam, does not make you automatically have a better airplane. Until you put your money where your mouth is keep your hands off the keyboard. Form your opinion AFTER you have purchased one of these models and have had a chance to fly it. Until then, and only then does your opinion of this airplane really mater. All of us are here for a reason. We enjoy model aircraft in one way or another.

For those that would like to watch another enjoyable video of the Phoenix II check below. This video of the Phoenix is all on board POV using a camera that weighs in at 6-7oz . Enjoy.
Phoenix II Over SoCal (4 min 30 sec)
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Old Apr 24, 2011, 06:17 AM
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Foam is the last nail in the coffin for creative modeling. The fast-food industry will kill all the craftsmanship. Indeed, why baking a cake when you can buy one around the corner? Faster, cheaper, easier. Looks cool, flies like a brick, who cares..
I can't agree. I own about ten fully moulded sailplanes. Nevertheless, some of the biggest fun I have at the slope comes from foam planes like the Radian Pro, Windrider Fox and Multiplex Merlin. These last two will fly amazingly well in very windy conditions.

I learned to fly with an EasyStar. I found it very stable and forgiving.

But coming to your main argument above, I am very grateful that we are seeing more and more of these foam gliders on the market. What they are doing (and the Radian and Radian Pro have proven to be the Kings here) is introducing gliding to a whole new cohort of people who might never have considered it before (probably because balsa or fiberglass gliders seemed a bit too fragile and expensive). Hopefully a lot of these people will become hooked on gliding, and will then move on to other aspects of gliding (and other types of gliders). So, the whole market gets bigger, and the result is more choice, more innovation, lower prices, etc. etc. All good stuff!

Chris
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Old Apr 24, 2011, 09:02 AM
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Hey Tim,

Yup, that was out at County Line. You'll have to come out some time and give it a whirl, or just try it out when we're out at King one weekend...

You gonna be at Nall?

Chris.
Nall...I gotta wait and see how it plays out. I did the full week of SEFF this year, so I might only have a couple days at best for Nall, depending on work and family.

I will let you know as soon as I know for sure!
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Old Apr 24, 2011, 09:28 AM
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Foam is the last nail in the coffin for creative modeling. The fast-food industry will kill all the craftsmanship. Indeed, why baking a cake when you can buy one around the corner? Faster, cheaper, easier. Looks cool, flies like a brick, who cares..
I gotta say, this is a rather narrow view. If anything, foam models have opened up our hobby to many people that wouldn't have necessarily felt confident enough to give our hobby a try. Anything that gets more people flying is a good thing, and to say that the rest of us will stop our "creative" building is ridiculous. I consider myself a diverse modeler, and I fly a couple of foam models, but I also build and fly everything from scale planes, helis, and giant scale aerobats. Having a few foam models has not stopped me from doing so.

We get it, you don't like what you see here. Move on.
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Old Apr 24, 2011, 09:30 AM
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What is with the haters. Just because you like balsa and saran-rap better than fiberglass or foam, does not make you automatically have a better airplane. Until you put your money where your mouth is keep your hands off the keyboard. Form your opinion AFTER you have purchased one of these models and have had a chance to fly it. Until then, and only then does your opinion of this airplane really mater. All of us are here for a reason. We enjoy model aircraft in one way or another.

For those that would like to watch another enjoyable video of the Phoenix II check below. This video of the Phoenix is all on board POV using a camera that weighs in at 6-7oz . Enjoy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sM_Hp2AV-cI
Cool vid Tim! Thanks for posting
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Old Apr 24, 2011, 09:31 AM
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I can't agree. I own about ten fully moulded sailplanes. Nevertheless, some of the biggest fun I have at the slope comes from foam planes like the Radian Pro, Windrider Fox and Multiplex Merlin. These last two will fly amazingly well in very windy conditions.

I learned to fly with an EasyStar. I found it very stable and forgiving.

But coming to your main argument above, I am very grateful that we are seeing more and more of these foam gliders on the market. What they are doing (and the Radian and Radian Pro have proven to be the Kings here) is introducing gliding to a whole new cohort of people who might never have considered it before (probably because balsa or fiberglass gliders seemed a bit too fragile and expensive). Hopefully a lot of these people will become hooked on gliding, and will then move on to other aspects of gliding (and other types of gliders). So, the whole market gets bigger, and the result is more choice, more innovation, lower prices, etc. etc. All good stuff!

Chris
Agreed!
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Old Apr 24, 2011, 11:32 AM
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Tim. Great video. What was the other plane you were following in the video? That was my favorite part.
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Old Apr 24, 2011, 12:05 PM
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The other airplane is a Phoenix My favorite part for some reason is the approach for landing, banked over the bushes as each row passes by. Don't get me wrong, I love the air to air shots, but I really liked the approach. Thank you for the nice comment.

That video is in HD, and can be view as such by pushing that little 360p button on the YouTube window and select HD. It will take longer to load, but be more clear.
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Old Apr 25, 2011, 02:26 AM
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Wow.
A review of an EPO 2m Chinese RTF/BNF electric sailplane with no comparison to the defacto standard of the EPO 2m Chinese RTF/BNF electric sailplane (read: RADIAN).
Kind of like reviewing the newest Android phone and not mentioning that Apple device...
Not saying one is better or worse, but to not even mention the relative strengths/weakness is a glaring omission.

Headead (Android fan...)
Agreed!

The Radian Pro goes one step further. One can get it PNP for under $185 and comes equipped with flaps.
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Old Apr 25, 2011, 09:17 AM
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Agreed!

The Radian Pro goes one step further. One can get it PNP for under $185 and comes equipped with flaps.
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...0881&page=2#19
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Old Apr 25, 2011, 11:21 PM
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I had a great flight on the Huntington Beach slopes! 17mph wind and the Phoenix felt right at home on the slope. Flying with the pelicans was a bonus! Video to follow soon.
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Old Apr 26, 2011, 07:45 AM
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Agreed!

The Radian Pro goes one step further. One can get it PNP for under $185 and comes equipped with flaps.
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...0881&page=2#19
What was implied in my post is that the Radian Pro delivers more performance bang for one's buck, not only when compared to the Phoenix II, but also when compared against the original Radian.

EDIT:
Regarding those who make fun of "foamy" motorized gliders by comparing them to other build methods, I will say that foam offers an inexpensive and extremely durable "choice" to the modeler, especially to the newcomer that has never assembled one. A "choice" that flies superbly well considering its cost; "choice" meaning that it is up to the buyer how he/she spends his/her money, not on how others may think they should spend it.
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Old Apr 26, 2011, 08:56 AM
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If I wanted Flaps on a glider, I would have picked up something for competition flying, not sport flying........

compared to the Radian:
The Phoenix offers an under cambered wing for better glide performance.
The Phoenix has more room for more choices of battery packs and motors
The Phoenix does not use a proprietary plug that most change out.
The Phoenix does not require you to bring a tool box to the field.

Each product is going to have its strong point.

I just happen to enjoy the Phoenix.
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