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Old Nov 08, 2009, 11:52 AM
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Another benefit of the program

I am pleased to see the give-and-take that is developing the Sprotsman's Program. I'd like to point out another benefit of the program. As many of the program's tasks required timed flights, there is an opportunity for participants to learn two more valuable soaring skills: using a person as a timer( a good timer is more than a talking stopwatch) and being a timer for another pilot (there's more to timing than punching a watch). Check out this forum & Thermal for discussions on the fine points of timing. Keep up the good work.
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Old Nov 08, 2009, 05:15 PM
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It also can act as a low pressure intro to soaring to someone that is not into RC. Anyone can run a stop watch and hold a tape measure. By assisting you on 5-10 minute flight's,they can catch the bug as well.


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Old Nov 08, 2009, 09:37 PM
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Launch window?

Steve,

Unless I missed it, I still don't see an answer to my question below. Unless some launch window parameters are given, the contest style tasks will be nothing more than ladders with all flights the same. I can just keep doing 7 or 10-minute flights until my points on my best flights meet the minimum. Even if launch windows aren't timed, we should at least specify that the flights be consecutive and on the same day.

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Have we abandoned the idea of having some control of the launch window? I just looked at version 4 and don't see anything to keep someone from scouting for good air before doing the official flights for the contest tasks.

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Old Nov 08, 2009, 10:27 PM
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Good point Tim. Would a 30 minute +- 2 minute's delay between flights be enuff?

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Sorry I haven't been on much the past few days guys. The weather has improved a bit and so getting ready for winter has been the priority. Things should calm down a bit after today and I can get everything written up for Silver Level.
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Unless I missed it, I still don't see an answer to my question below. Unless some launch window parameters are given, the contest style tasks will be nothing more than ladders with all flights the same. I can just keep doing 7 or 10-minute flights until my points on my best flights meet the minimum. Even if launch windows aren't timed, we should at least specify that the flights be consecutive and on the same day.
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Tim, 30 minutes was suggested earlier. The reasoning was to simulate waiting your turn between flight groups at a contest. A +/- "x" minutes to keep people from sandbagging is a good idea. The contest guys can give us the "usual launch window" I'm sure. Joe should even know since he does contests as well. And we will specify that the flights be consecutive and on the same day.
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Old Nov 09, 2009, 07:04 PM
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That sounds great, Steve. I don't think the specifics of the launch timing rules are important, as long as there are some parameters. I was just concerned that with the effort to finalize the next stage this would be overlooked. I didn't see anything in the proposed Silver list nor in the Task Requirements. In fact, I didn't see anything in the Task Requirements referring to the contest format flights.

Keep up the good work!

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Old Nov 09, 2009, 07:52 PM
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Joe should even know since he does contests as well. And we will specify that the flights be consecutive and on the same day.
The 30 minutes is a good average. The actual time depends on the number of contestants and the CD. Not everybody gets their contest run by the great bunch of volanteers that the NATS has.

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Old Nov 10, 2009, 05:05 AM
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That sounds great, Steve. I don't think the specifics of the launch timing rules are important, as long as there are some parameters. I was just concerned that with the effort to finalize the next stage this would be overlooked. I didn't see anything in the proposed Silver list nor in the Task Requirements. In fact, I didn't see anything in the Task Requirements referring to the contest format flights.

Keep up the good work!

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That's because we're just adding this style to the program.
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So ver 6 it is. Contest style will have 2 rounds of three flights each round, 1 point per second, -1 point for every second over the time, 100 points possible for landing (1 point per inch) and anything over 100" is "out" (no points), flight window is 30 minutes between flights +/- 2 minutes, all flights to be completed on the same day.
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Everything is on the web page now. See Silver Level and section 26 for the rules. Please check it out and let me know if I missed anything.
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Old Nov 10, 2009, 04:48 PM
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Steve,

Section 26 looks good, but I have a question.

By this:
"There is a flight window requiring 30 minutes between flights +/- 2 minutes"

Do you mean between flight start times? If it's not important, I would rather have flights START 30 minutes apart rather than measuring time between landing and the next launch. The way it's worded now leaves it open to interpretation.

Yes - sorry - I'm an engineer.

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Old Nov 11, 2009, 06:33 AM
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What's every one think? 30 minutes from launch time or landing time? Makes me no difference. I see good and bad in both ways. Let me know so I can get it nailed down. It's time to get on to Gold Level.
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Old Nov 11, 2009, 08:26 AM
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What's every one think? 30 minutes from launch time or landing time? Makes me no difference. I see good and bad in both ways. Let me know so I can get it nailed down. It's time to get on to Gold Level.
To simulate a contest I would say from landing time.

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The VP is still alive? I thought we lost you there, Joe. After landing it is. I think it will allow for a better change in the air as well. That will make for bettering ones skills as well.
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The VP is still alive? I thought we lost you there, Joe. After landing it is. I think it will allow for a better change in the air as well. That will make for bettering ones skills as well.

If it is true that only the good die young I am going to be VERY old!!

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Old Nov 13, 2009, 08:03 AM
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GOLD LEVEL: Here's the preliminary for Gold Level. If you have any ideas for the open spots, speak up. I want this one done in short order. Since most of it is just finishing off other task sets in the advanced and expert difficulties this should be an easy one to knock out. Also, I would like to "maybe" have part of the 2M be required as 2M woody only. I don't want to make it all woody though.
PLATINUM LEVEL: I'm also taking ideas for Platinum Level. If you have anything you would like to see, let us know. These must be extremely difficult and worthy of the final level. This will be a you build, woodie level. It has been requested so much and we, being builders, liked the idea so much we're going to make it happen. You will have to document your build from a kit or plans (no ARF's). Then use your self-built plane(s) to complete the level. All planes being built will have to show documentation that you personally built it.
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Steve so this the box of sticks challenge for Platinum level sounds like fun!
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