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Old Oct 28, 2012, 08:03 PM
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Ok I read posts 1 through 6 and my question isn't covered. Here it is ... how does this camera compare with the #16 camera? I know this thread is all about the #16 camera but there is soooooo much info here that I'd just like a simple honest opinion as to which is better and why?

Thanks!

Colin

I can't expect an unbiased response but I'll take my chances!
What do you consider important to you in your definition of "better"? Pricewise, they are in the same ball park. Size/feature-wise, the HK camera is out in left field by comparison. Video quality-wise, you'll need to make that call since everyone sees videos differently. There's a lot of videos of the #16 posted in this thread to look at, many recent ones demonstration what the latest #16 user-controlled video image tweaks can do. And there's a number of videos in that HK web page for that camera if you click on the "videos" link at the bottom. Compare them and then decide which you like best.
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Old Oct 28, 2012, 10:07 PM
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after not flying anything for almost a year, finally put my thumbs back on a tx. just sharing my first time ever to fly a multirotor, glad a flying buddy trusted me to fly his.

#16 used on the multi, pardon the vibes, the cam was just mounted using good ole' double-backed tape

Keychain Cams and Multirotors @ Doers Flying Field (2 min 28 sec)
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Old Oct 29, 2012, 03:18 AM
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Ok I read posts 1 through 6 and my question isn't covered. Here it is ... how does this camera compare with the #16 camera? I know this thread is all about the #16 camera but there is soooooo much info here that I'd just like a simple honest opinion as to which is better and why?

Thanks!

Colin

I can't expect an unbiased response but I'll take my chances!
I can't make head or tail what Fishy's trying to tell you or not tell you (nothing new here ), but in addition to what Tom has mentioned, the HK camera is almost twice as heavy as the #16, and it doesn't even have a case! From the pictures, the HK cables seem to be designed for plugging into a TV and not for fpv use, if that's what you want to use it for. The #16 also comes with a choice of three different lenses whereas the HK comes with a wide-angle lens. That is most probably fine for fpv use.

I don't have this camera, but I would think that being partially sealed with heat shrink tubing is more of a disadvantage than an advantage, but that also depends on what it will be used for. You can obviously also wrap the #16 in heat shrink tubing if you wish and it will even be lighter. Support and an active forum for the #16 is excellent+.

I've tried to be honest and not give a biased opinion, but the #16 is such an excellent camera for the price that it's almost impossible to beat You can tweak it in sooo many ways.
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Old Oct 29, 2012, 03:35 AM
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After using 3 weeks my v2, the battery can record just 20-30 seconds. The charging time is about 5 minutes.
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Old Oct 29, 2012, 03:54 AM
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After using 3 weeks my v2, the battery can record just 20-30 seconds. The charging time is about 5 minutes.
Batteries are batteries are batteries! Try charging the battery for 2.5 hours, even if the green LED goes out, which of course it shouldn't. My V1 batteries, some of which are from last year, still run about 25-35 mins. I don't know how you use or charge your batteries, but I have often neglected mine and left them charging over 24 hours or left them a day or two in the discharged state. More often than not I use my cameras with a very reliable external USB power source.

You may have received a bad battery or your external power supply or cables are bad. If possible, try and charge the battery with an external battery charger or another camera to make sure there's nothing wrong with the camera's charging circuitry.
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Old Oct 29, 2012, 04:18 AM
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Ok I read posts 1 through 6 and my question isn't covered. Here it is ... how does this camera compare with the #16 camera? I know this thread is all about the #16 camera but there is soooooo much info here that I'd just like a simple honest opinion as to which is better and why?

Thanks!

Colin

I can't expect an unbiased response but I'll take my chances!
wollins.

do not know why ISoprop is jjumping in when he does not own one.


I own this camera. It is RD32 with no casing. It has a larger battery, last 2.5 hrs. The charging does not turn off, and must be watched. the lens is the same as the lens D of the KC808.

The camera Igot from HK is a dud. I c annot get the time stamp off, IfI give this to ISOPROP, he is Smart, he can get it off, yet its a defective model that works as described.

The video quality Tom Frank said early on in the post is to many pages back said the quality is not to his liking. The quality is sharper, brighter, but not in Low level lighting.

I use the KC808 more, while my cam sits.

I di not waste 45.00 I wasted dealing with Hobbyking not backing up the product.

I go for a trusted KC, vs something HK grabbed a Gross of and pushing off as whatever you like to call it.

the vibrator will slip out, the mic will slip out. other than that I am not complaining I am offering what is called an opinion enjoy
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Old Oct 29, 2012, 04:21 AM
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After using 3 weeks my v2, the battery can record just 20-30 seconds. The charging time is about 5 minutes.
Have you a triclkle charger? Have you ordered a new battery. Have you used a different cable and ac outlet vs a pc/mac

Lipo's are cautious to play with and leaving unattended enjoy
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Old Oct 29, 2012, 07:14 AM
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wollins.

do not know why ISoprop is jjumping in when he does not own one.


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I jumped in because your initial post was your usual gibberish which no one could understand. Your second post is much more meaningful and you replied to the original question in a way that most people can sort-of understand. I don't understand what you mean by "defective model that works as described.", but I guess it's not too important. Please only post what others can understand.
People keep asking you and asking you and asking you.....
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Old Oct 29, 2012, 07:14 AM
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After using 3 weeks my v2, the battery can record just 20-30 seconds. The charging time is about 5 minutes.
I had a similar problem and it was my SD card. I changed out the card to a class 4 and the camera would work.
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Old Oct 29, 2012, 07:25 AM
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I always like to see video.

Here is a little segment I shot with the new 808 #16D lens straight out of the mail without updating the firmware.

I got my 808 #16D V2 camera from http://stores.ebay.com/eletoponline365

At about 5:08 in the video I show part of the same flight with an 808 #16 with the standard lens.

Both cameras are side by side Velcroed to the top of the wing on one of my 18 oz Albatross slow flyers. Having the cameras out on the wing rather than on the fuse does help to stabilize the video.

Later at 3:33 in the video I show a little video off of a Storm Chaser that has a high power motor on it and a great vertical climb. The 808 #16D camera is on the nose of the plane very close to the prop. I did not put any shock absorber under the cameras. I am sure I could greatly reduce the jello if I did. On the Storm Chaser I had one slow flight speed on the prop that made the jello go crazy.

What I like with the #16D is that the wide angle lens dampens the movement. I can edit some of the instability out but I left everything as it was shot so you can see how it really looks.

Below the orange plane is the 46' 18 oz Albatross and the R/W/B plane is the 68" 5 lb Storm Chaser with the motor on a pod..

808 #16 and #16D camera comparison (7 min 35 sec)
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Old Oct 29, 2012, 07:36 AM
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wollins.

do not know why ISoprop is jjumping in when he does not own one.


I own this camera. It is RD32 with no casing. It has a larger battery, last 2.5 hrs. The charging does not turn off, and must be watched. the lens is the same as the lens D of the KC808.

The camera Igot from HK is a dud. I c annot get the time stamp off, IfI give this to ISOPROP, he is Smart, he can get it off, yet its a defective model that works as described.
I also have a HK Wing cam, and to clarify:

The lens is similar to D but not the same. It is better IMO
The video out is via a 1/8 plug, similar to GoPro
The date can be turned off via on-screen (TV) menu, along with many other options such as motion detect.

Bad features are:
MJPEG compression of video, gives 10-15% duplicate frames even with transcend Class 10 card. Not bad for still images.
Very saturated and unstable color
Slow exposure compensation light-dark

Here's an example

Shrike Ride (2 min 16 sec)
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Old Oct 29, 2012, 07:47 AM
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I also got this cam, and my was a piece of s...t. I tried to make some outdoor videos, in a clear sunny day with some trees and grass just to check it out. The result was very bad. The clear green bacame grey and the clear sky looked like thunderskies. The worst cam I ever had. Now it doesnt work either, just a blue light that shines when i try to switch it on.
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Old Oct 29, 2012, 08:01 AM
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I also have a HK Wing cam, and to clarify:

The lens is similar to D but not the same. It is better IMO
The video out is via a 1/8 plug, similar to GoPro
The date can be turned off via on-screen (TV) menu, along with many other options such as motion detect.

Bad features are:
MJPEG compression of video, gives 10-15% duplicate frames even with transcend Class 10 card. Not bad for still images.
Very saturated and unstable color
Slow exposure compensation light-dark

Here's an example

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2b_IgmXXso
Thank you Victapilot. I had footage, but could not locate, and thanks for added info appreciated

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Old Oct 29, 2012, 08:08 AM
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Wasn't trying to start a fight here guys ... just wanted some genuine feedback ... (which I got) so thank you to all who responded.

Colin
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Old Oct 29, 2012, 08:29 AM
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I don't have a camera at hand to test until next week, but maybe you could edit the Nr16Setup.cfg file which will be created in the same folder as the GUI. Change SafelyRemoveDevice=1 to SafelyRemoveDevice=0.

Sorry, I'm in a big rush, wife is calling....
Hallo ISOPROR
additional information to “SafelyRemoveDevice=0“.
After you do „Write Data to Drive“, GUI terminates ?normal?. But the drive is still
connected to the usb. The drive “must” now be disconnected by hand. Than everything is OK.
If you don't do it and you try to start GUI again, for instance, it leads to another error msg.
I believe it is better to do not drive disconnection via GUI.??

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