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Old Jan 29, 2011, 09:56 AM
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Customized 3-channels 2011: Let's see them!

I proclaim this the year of 3-channel.
(I did that last year, too)
Most activity is focused on mods, not repairs, signifying a very mature product form, one that has achieved an unprecedented quality level.

We have a "S107" modifications thread, but that's performance-based. Let's have a thread about those cosmetically enhanced versions.

We've seen enough custom 3-channel copters from me, now I want to see what the rest of you are doing, all in one place.
Minigun Movie Prop M134 LIVE VIDEO (1 min 18 sec)

Criteria:
No more than 3 channels- This is to focus on the models with the simplest mechanics that are capable of "controlled" flight, and the flying artwork that is possible to add to that specific, coaxial and another horizontal tail rotor layout.

No mention of 3 channel's suitability for intended usage. Please, take the MSR and other "get this instead" arguments elsewhere. That's been beat to death in almost every coaxial 3-channel thread already, and millions of dollars in sales proved to whole argument moot.

Purpose:

To possibly identify a formula for the first aftermarket "kit" to rework an existing model, i.e., Fiberglass body on Volkswagen chassis.

But first and foremost, let's see what a reliable airframe inspires people to layer over it.
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Old Jan 29, 2011, 10:22 AM
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i.e., Fiberglass body on Volkswagen chassis.
Hey, I did one of those. I just forgot the fibreglass. And most of the chassis.



In fact, there's not a lot left of the VW at all
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Old Jan 29, 2011, 05:13 PM
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Does a Revell 1:100 Apache model kit with San Huan 6025-1 guts qualify?
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Old Jan 29, 2011, 05:17 PM
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Syma S106 (non gyro) Hughes with 6010-1 internals

(HD) 6010 hughes headcam 12 12 10.MOV (1 min 8 sec)
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Old Jan 29, 2011, 05:30 PM
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Matchbox Westland Wessex 1:72 kit with R5 S107 PCB and tail motor, 6020 gearbox, Dean's micro battery plug and custom blades.
She needs to lose a few grams (currently 40g) before she can fly, but almost there.



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Matchbox Westland Wessex 1:72 kit with R5 S107 PCB and tail motor, 6020 gearbox, Dean's micro battery plug and custom blades.
She needs to lose a few grams (currently 40g) before she can fly, but almost there.
Instead of losing a few grams try some S107 blades because those 6020 blades are very short. The S107's are quite a bit longer and will provide more lift. I know because I have both and I've put the S107 rotors on another heli with shorter blades and it did give it more lift.
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Old Jan 29, 2011, 06:59 PM
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Syma S106 (non gyro) Hughes with 6010-1 internals

This is exactly what I plan to do with my S106 when it arrives......did you just use the 6010 PCB or the whole lot of 6010 parts.
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Old Jan 29, 2011, 07:43 PM
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Instead of losing a few grams try some S107 blades
Thanks. I tried first but still not nearly enough lift. The effective blade length (~85mm from root to 'tip' - which isn't the very tip of the blade due to the 'safety' edge) is very close between the two.
Ordered a set of Z008 blades figuring if they can lift that beast they've got some serious power, but they are basically identical to the S107's. It wasn't expected but they also came with a couple Z008 3-blades props which I look forward to trying out on a hotrod.

Next I picked up a couple sets of generic 125mm no-name blades at Fry's. Trimmed one set down to ~95mm (also cut back the trailing edge) which I calculated to give ~10g extra thrust than the S107/6010 based on rudimentary pi*r2 calcs. This almost worked. Will trim the other set to ~105mm and try that. Sure it will put a lot of extra stress on the motors but haven't heard of anyone burning out a set of monster 6020 motors so will put them to the test. Took a break on the Wessex to do the Apache but since that is now airborne will go back to finish the job.

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did you just use the 6010 PCB or the whole lot of 6010 parts.
It's all 6010 inside. The Syma shell is fantastic; very light, yet strong and roomy. On a scale of 1-10 the ease of converting and flying the Syma is a 3, the Wessex a 6 (roomy but heavy) and the Apache a 8 (small and heavy).

Forgot about a couple more:
S107M: mostly speed mods (6020 tail motor and prop, carbon tail boom, 1.5g Walkera Canopy) but the painted blades are purely for aesthetics.
(HD) S107M headcam Dec 12.MOV (2 min 9 sec)


"Pink": Wifey's S107 (Rev 3) with 6020 canopy and 6025 disco lights.
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Old Jan 29, 2011, 08:30 PM
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GREAT Stuff!! My socks were wiggling by the bottom of the page.

More than one of these looks like a fun project to copy.


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You kids, quit that hot-rodding!
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Old Jan 29, 2011, 09:37 PM
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Silly question but Killbucket, whats your Paint of choice for modding your phantoms, they look ace !
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Old Jan 30, 2011, 06:57 AM
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The paint itself is cheap, hardware store pooh in most cases.
This is my BIG secret:


This, and a CLEAN surface to be sprayed, are the biggest factors.
The adhesion promoter makes ordinary paint into Super-Paint.

Applying the paint SLOWLY is also a huge factor. I build up my paint thickness in light coats, with only the last getting a fair wet-down.


My painting tutorial is here:
http://www.air-sharp.com/paintcopter.htm
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Old Jan 30, 2011, 07:13 AM
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It's all 6010 inside. The Syma shell is fantastic; very light, yet strong and roomy.
Sounds good......I've got a heavily crashed Phantom 6010 the rotor mounts are broken basically its useless I was hoping to connect the 6010's PCB to the S106 mechanicals and use it that way...do you think that's possible.
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Sounds good......I've got a heavily crashed Phantom 6010 the rotor mounts are broken basically its useless I was hoping to connect the 6010's PCB to the S106 mechanicals and use it that way...do you think that's possible.
sure! You'll just be doing more soldering, and who knows if the Syma motors will be as 'good' as the 6010's.
But since you won't have to fit the 6010 drive train (not that hard really, luckily it mostly wedged into the body with only one screw to keep it from tilting. In the video the main rotor shaft was tilted forward, has been since fixed) that part will be easier.


It's nice to have the 6010's turbo function since the S106's 45degree tail prop doesn't provide as much 'tip' as a vertical one. PicooZ prop works well also.
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Old Jan 30, 2011, 12:22 PM
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So cool it hurts, Kurt.
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Old Jan 30, 2011, 02:34 PM
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thanks B, she's the pride of my fleet.

Someday soon the Wessex will be joining her on sorties:



After that, think I'll switch to non-MIL vehicle, at least non-Earth-MIL. Got a kit coming right now from a galaxy far, far away......

Is the grim reaper heli in post #1 your latest? Still flying your other 'art' helis (brass wire frame, john deere, etc)? Love those.
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