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Old Dec 10, 2010, 05:02 PM
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I never said Graupner was superior to other systems. Where do you get that from???
I have flown with Sanwa, JR, Futaba and Graupner radios, and can not be said to be any Graupner fanboy as you try to make me into. I go for the system I find to be the best at any given time. For the time beeing this is Jeti Duplex inside a MC-22.

Nor have I ever said that HOTT was developed "in-house" by Graupner. It was developed as a cooperation between Graupner engineers and hired expertise from outside. But I did not say anything about this in my post.
So again. Where do you read me saying that???

What I do know is that Graupner have said that they see the importance of having a 2.4 system that they have full control of.
My interpretation of this is that Graupner have no more patience with empty promises from XPS/IFS and maybe no longer wants to be assosiated with XPS/IFS... (Yes my own conclusion. Feel free to burn me for it if it turns out I'm wrong)

Graupner has also statet that they will support all 3 2.4 systems they now have in their product line. And then let the marked decide which of these systems is preferred. i.e they don't plan to have all of them for ever. Someone is got to go.
Given the proper conduct in every day buisness life I say Graupner is going a long way to mark their distance to XPS/IFS. But then again. I might be wrong. Time will tell... (I'll buy you the matches if I'm wrong)

But ok. To the point.
I'm just fed up with the same persons destroying threads like this with blabla and mumbo jumbo about FCC and all this crap. As a potential user of this system i could'nt care less about FCC and the inner life of the compeeting companies. I just want a product that works for me.
Thats what my post was all about. No more, no less..

It is a well known fact that many companies use forums like this actively to try to "win one over" as a customer. I just don't like that way of doing things as I think most people are intelligent enough to make their own choices based on personal preference.

As I said. I visited this thread to find out more about HOTT since I'm curious about several of the new products to arrive on the market. And do not want to plough through 100 posts of yakyak to find the actual few post saying anything about the product.
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Old Dec 11, 2010, 06:12 AM
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It was developed as a cooperation between Graupner engineers and hired expertise from outside
Graupner does not have the technical competence to develop a 2.4 GHz system.They just did the specification and masterplan for the HoTT system, which was developed in Korea.

Actually Graupner misses all due dates for delivery of HoTT components to their customers.

In follow up to Graupner's intensive marketing of the Korean HoTT system, Weatroinic (Germany) has cancelled now their close relationship and cooperation with Graupner.

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Old Dec 11, 2010, 03:24 PM
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Graupner does not have the technical competence to develop a 2.4 GHz system.They just did the specification and masterplan for the HoTT system, which was developed in Korea.
According to my information you are wrong. What is your source for this statement?
The HOTT system was developed in Kirccheim, Germany at Graupners facility as an joint effort between Graupners engineers and hired expertise.
This comes from the new head of developement in Graupner. One mr Helbing, and Graupners commercial director.

The production though will be in Korea since production costs will be to high in Europe.

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Actually Graupner misses all due dates for delivery of HoTT components to their customers.
The first HOTT systems was available 2-3 weeks before Graupners promised due date, so I can't see any truth to your statement!
I must say I rely on my source far over Your words.

But you've got some stamina when it comes to trolling. I'll give You that
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Old Dec 12, 2010, 02:47 AM
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According to my information you are wrong. What is your source for this statement?
The HOTT system was developed in Kirccheim, Germany at Graupners facility as an joint effort between Graupners engineers and hired expertise.
This comes from the new head of developement in Graupner. One mr Helbing, and Graupners commercial director.

The production though will be in Korea since production costs will be to high in Europe.



The first HOTT systems was available 2-3 weeks before Graupners promised due date, so I can't see any truth to your statement!
I must say I rely on my source far over Your words.

But you've got some stamina when it comes to trolling. I'll give You that
Well my source is the CEO of Graupner, Stefan Graupner, who when presenting the system on the Friedrichshafen fair, told the press: "We have specified the system and in follow up it has been developed by our Korean partner!"
Actually if you go to Graupner's HP the due days are postponed by the computer system on a day by day basis. Everybody can see this and follow this procedure.

By the way, the truth will prevail!

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Old Dec 12, 2010, 04:45 AM
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All these words about who an where developed it, are irrelevant.
What will matter is the number of lockouts and crashes and the way how Graupner will handle them. And then the price.
Using external box to setup and display telemetry, moves HOTT into segment where very strong competitors do exist.
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Old Dec 12, 2010, 08:07 AM
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All these words about who an where developed it, are irrelevant.
I agree. I'll leave this subject.
One can not argue a with a man stating "the thruth will prevail" anyway
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Old Dec 12, 2010, 09:32 AM
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Seems that the harder our Hitec troll tries to steer people away from Hott or Jeti, the less he succeeds.
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Old Dec 12, 2010, 10:02 AM
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Graupner has absolutely no electronics engineering staff. Uwe Stellar is the only software engineer (and he works at home more than 2 hours away from Kirchiem). Graupner does not actually design or manufacturer ANY electronics in house. They do produce their own boat hulls, some plastics, foamie type aircraft, their own manuals (with an incredible printing setup), and of course balsawood. That is all they have the ability to produce.at their facility (which of course I have toured on numerous occassions). Graupner does have products made for them from all over the world to their specifications.
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Old Dec 12, 2010, 10:55 AM
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Uwe Stellar is the only software engineer (and he works at home more than 2 hours away from Kirchiem). ...
109km is about an hours drive, i.e not more than 2 hours (unless there is a serious traffic jam, or if he decides to use the scenic route and stop at BurgerKing or McDonalds ).

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Old Dec 12, 2010, 10:58 AM
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Well almost everything with the HoTT system is a promise so far! Most of its components have not been delivered and shipped to the customers. Neither is the system proven in pactice.
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The HoTT system has of course been tested at various locations - especially where problems have been reported with other 2.4GHz systems.

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Old Dec 12, 2010, 11:01 AM
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Sadly, Hans Graupner officially retired from management just two weeks ago.
The declaration of conformity for my mx-16 HoTT was signed by Hans Graupner on 05. October 2010.

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Old Dec 12, 2010, 01:16 PM
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How about another JR?
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Old Dec 12, 2010, 01:33 PM
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Jurger Heilig please at least you tell us some useful things, and how the system works, because I'm also interest for HoTT module in my mc-19. And I want to hear it's working etc.

Thank you!
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