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Old Aug 14, 2005, 06:11 PM
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Park flyers baned in Sacramento Co. parks?

I was told last night by a Park Ranger at Ancil Hoffman Park that there is a county ordnance banning use of any powered radio controled aircraft in the County Park system. Not wishing a citation my son and I packed up our gear and left the otherwise empty park.
Has any one else in the Sacramento area heard of this unposetd county regulation?
I have searched the County Parks and the County Code and Recent Ordinances web site and can not find any mention of radio controled aircraft let alone them being ilegal to operate in the county park system.
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Old Aug 14, 2005, 06:45 PM
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Im with you on this one, I dont live in sacramento but the bay area, and was told at many different parks in my local area that it was illegal to fly there and i needed to leave or the cops were to be called.

FIRST.. i can understand if the park was littered with people because of the safty issue involved, but when noone is around whats the deal.
SECOND... I was first kicked out of a school yard and now local parks, well family member of mine works for the local park district and said that is plain B.S. there is no posted signs saying its not allowed and otherwize fly there, if there is a problem then have the ranger call the cops and have them give you a direct violation code and show you it in the books. If they cannot and insist on you leaving, you can either leave or ask the officer to call his watch commander and, the rangers superior as well, have a talk with both of them. I would only recommend this if you are wanting to fight this B.S power trip and want to actually see a code in the books where it says NO FLY BYES!!!
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Old Aug 14, 2005, 06:57 PM
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I sent E-mail to the parks and recreation dept. listed in the contact us section of the co. parks site asking for information on this unposted ordnance.
Hopefully I will get some kind of information out of them but won't be too surprised if I never get any response either.
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Old Aug 14, 2005, 07:03 PM
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It is happening everywhere. There have be many such threads here. You can fight it but __________________.. Good luck.
When I was growing up back in the 50ths we flew control line in the school yard and even on Church property. Times have changed and not all changes are for the best.

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Old Aug 14, 2005, 07:38 PM
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We are lucky in my town. They designated a big field for us. Its a retention basin for when the highway floods. No one else can really use it, so tehy us have it. They put up signs and even a frequency board.
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Old Aug 15, 2005, 11:44 AM
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You cant really fly parkflyers in san jose california either...But people do anyway.
As they become more and more powerfull...the danger level becomes greater.
A zagi makes just as much or more noise than an .049 ( I have a wedgi ) so i
fly it at Baylands park in sunnyvale CA. This city lets us fly E power only their but
has also banned any powered planes, electric or otherwise.

It only takes a few phone calls or one accident and its curtains........
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Old Aug 15, 2005, 12:08 PM
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It's becomming a rare thing to find a public park where RC Planes are not banned. You may be able to get permission from a local school to fly on their athletic fields. If so, make sure you get it in writing...

Alternatively, you might want to look into joining a local club. At least that way you'll have reliable access to a flying field. You may find you enjoy flying with the other club members too.
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Old Aug 15, 2005, 03:19 PM
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I ran into a similar thing, where I was flying and a city parks worker told me I could not fly. I had previously read all the park code and regulations and knew that there was no rule against it, so I asked him where regulation was so that I could read it. He couldn't tell me, but said it was common sense. So, I emailed the city parks director and he checked with the police chief and fire chief and the city regs and gave us permission to fly. So I now carry a copy of that email with me when I fly. The email to the parks director was the right way to go.

I found a school near by with a great field to fly in, but I want to ask permission first. Who should I approach about getting permission to fly at a high school field?

parkzonekid, do you live in the north bay? If so, a small group of us fly at Martin Luther King park in sausalito on saturday mornings. PM me and I'll give you more info.
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Old Aug 15, 2005, 03:54 PM
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Forgiveness is easier to obtain than permission. Asking will usually yield a "no" because most of those asked won't have the authority to say "yes". I fly an IPS-powered MM C180 in park and school yards when people aren't around.

I grew up in Bay Area and in 50s control line flying was normal at every schoolyard on weekends. Of course now, you'd be fine smoking a joint there, just don't fly an electric powered model airplane on any public land.
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Old Aug 15, 2005, 04:10 PM
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Forgiveness is easier to obtain than permission. Asking will usually yield a "no" because most of those asked won't have the authority to say "yes".
Agreed here, but I would first check the regulations before flying. And in this situation, he already got the "no." So, now he has to get the "yes." The park director is the right guy to talk with. Most park regulations I have read, state that you must leave if asked to do so by a park worker. So, once the cops show up you have to leave anyway, not because you were flying, but because you were asked to leave and you refused. If the park worker gets upset then his story of the "jerk with no common sense out there flying his extremely dangerous plane, looking to buzz people and cause problems" gets to the director before your email from "a confused park patron and voter who was trying his best to follow the regulations and enjoy a peaceful, safe hobby in the park that he pays taxes for." Besides, once you have the "no," what have you got to lose?
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Old Aug 15, 2005, 04:52 PM
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I disagree with most of you. Because people are willing to simply shut up and go home is the reason these things happen. Some people will continue to abuse whatever power they have been given until someone/thing comes along to make them question their decisions. Several times in my life I have been given the ," Do this or I'll call the cops.." line while knowing I was in the right, and offered to call them myself. If you know the laws and Regulations in your area, and are not doing anything wrong, then stick to your guns!! Nothing beats having the cops show up and tell the other guy he's wrong!
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Old Aug 15, 2005, 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Broncomech
I was told last night by a Park Ranger at Ancil Hoffman Park that there is a county ordnance banning use of any powered radio controled aircraft in the County Park system. Not wishing a citation my son and I packed up our gear and left the otherwise empty park.
Has any one else in the Sacramento area heard of this unposetd county regulation?
I have searched the County Parks and the County Code and Recent Ordinances web site and can not find any mention of radio controled aircraft let alone them being ilegal to operate in the county park system.
Many years ago (15 or so) I was told that I could not fly my OS .15 powered seaplane in the William Pond Park at the end of Arden way (not far from Ancil Hoffman Park). I don't rememberthat she (the ranger) said there was a regulation against flying there.
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Old Aug 15, 2005, 05:07 PM
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If you know the laws and Regulations in your area, and are not doing anything wrong, then stick to your guns!! Nothing beats having the cops show up and tell the other guy he's wrong!
I agree. However, in most of the parks around here, the regulations state that is a park or city worker asks you to leave the park, you must leave. Once he asks you to leave, the law is on his side and so will the cops be. The situation here is that uninformed park workers are asking him to leave. Staying in the park after being asked to leave by a park employee is enough to get you sited and escorted out by the police, and it doesn't matter what you were doing.
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Old Aug 15, 2005, 06:22 PM
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I have searched the County Parks and the County Code and Recent Ordinances web site and can not find any mention of radio controled aircraft let alone them being ilegal to operate in the county park system.
Sacramento County, CA Code - 9.36.068 Games

"The playing of rough or comparatively dangerous games such as football, baseball, horseshoes, soccer or of any games involving thrown, hit, or otherwise propelled objects such as golf balls, balls of other description, stones, arrows, javelins, or model airplanes is prohibited except in fields, courts, or areas specifically provided therefor or, with express permission of the director, in areas compatible to said use. Persons desiring to use a park facility for the specific purpose for which the facility was established shall have priority of use over persons using said facility for another nonproscribed purpose. (SCC 36 2 (part), 1971.)"
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Old Aug 15, 2005, 06:36 PM
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Evidently if someone might be having fun, then it's illegal in Sacramento, unless the dictator director says it's ok. Sounds like the citizen model airplane enthusiasts need to spend some time lobbying the city politicians. We have two county maintained fields at county parks, with more on the way. These fields are for specific use of model aircraft, everything else is forbidden.
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