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Old Jan 04, 2013, 04:16 PM
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I liked the extreme manuverability of my CAPs... but the landings....
I played around with no horizontal at all... broke 3 props trying to take off, gave up on that.. reinstalled the horizontal at the bottom of the fuselage.. receiver battery failed in flight!
The Byron CAP flew like a CAP... great in the air. Knife edge close to the ground and mooning the coffee club in the pits was not a good idea!
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Old Jan 04, 2013, 05:02 PM
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Incredible design- but much maligned by some .
I always get a kick out of the " importance of the horizontal stab placement " proponents..
the downwash/ hogwash arguments
that one and the "spiraling slipstream".
better than Alice in Wonderland.
The setup for each design is simply different
strange, ain't it!
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Old Jan 04, 2013, 07:06 PM
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I played around with no horizontal at all... broke 3 props trying to take off, gave up on that...
Of course. Removing the stabilizer moves the neutral point forward

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Old Jan 04, 2013, 07:35 PM
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Having no horizontal and the prop a goodly distance above the wheels is more of an influence, with nothing to hold the tail down at very low speeds with the propellor slipstream.
Howsomever, these planes made the transition to tailless nicely...
The profile Somethin' Extra had those large elevons, the Krafty 25 had the nosewheel.
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Old Jan 04, 2013, 08:54 PM
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Those pesky short airplanes
Fun to play with but not very forgiving at slow speeds
To me, aircrafts are all about lever arms and short levers tend to make short work of things ---
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Old Jan 04, 2013, 10:10 PM
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I still have the taillless Fazer in that photo. It's been covered and ready to have the equipment and motor installed.... since 2002!
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All that's needed to make a tailless is cut the tail off, move the c.g. to 12-15%, reflex the ailerons which have become elevons.. go fly. For a while.
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Old Jan 05, 2013, 09:07 AM
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My flying wing experiences started loooooooooooooong ago with a control line O&H 23 powered delta like thing
The recent bout was with small electric stuf flying disc and other stuff.
The extremely broad speed envelope is interesting .
The new AS3X stabilized flight rx by Spektrum should proove to be an advantage for a really fast wing setup.. We havebeen flying these on "tricky" small fast models - makes em as docile as a bunny rabbit.
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Old Jan 05, 2013, 11:08 AM
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49.....FORTY NINE>>>>>> geez.. years ago I was flying AMA pylon with Cox Olympic .15s delta wings. I found out then I was not suited for high speed flight... spent more time analyzing why the plane was doing whatever instead of flying it. As well as wondering which point was the front. Amazing how much territory the parts can be found in after impact...
Slopers turned out to be a better venue for my peculiar flying skills with odd shaped airplanes... and the hike to the bottom of the hill and back up is good for the body..
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Old Jan 05, 2013, 12:51 PM
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I tired of racing - mostly spooked by the new racers who overcooked em on turns - and would crash too close for comfort.

Pattern & IMAC, much safer -
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