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Old Oct 23, 2012, 11:12 PM
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Indoor combat plane design needed, 5 - 6 ounces RTF, 2S 460 mah battery Max.

I'm looking for indoor combat planes (with streamers, not full contact) that meet these rules.

LESS than 6 ounces RTF
460 mah 2S battery or smaller
24" wing span MAX
3 minutes missions.

The weight limit means small motors like a 2404 or park 250 size. There isn't a size limit on motors but the 2S and small battery limit those anyway as amp draw becomes a problem with a 3 minute flight. They DO NOT want real fast planes for safety reasons. Just planes that fly well and handle well.

I've looked through many threads here but everything I found is bigger or heavier. They look like outdoor combat designs. This plane will be for indoor combat.

What designs can you recommend?
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Old Oct 24, 2012, 09:53 AM
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check this out, it might do what you want, use EPP if you're flying full contact combat.

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Old Oct 24, 2012, 10:11 AM
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Yes. I've seen them. I want something different. With 4 of the same plane flying around it is hard to tell yours from theirs.
What else is available?
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Old Oct 30, 2012, 01:13 AM
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With 4 of the same plane flying around it is hard to tell yours from theirs.
Paint it pink? Very unlikely anyone else will .
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Old Oct 30, 2012, 01:28 PM
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Take a look at Leadfeather's Firefly - it's in the foamy thread
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Old Oct 31, 2012, 09:41 AM
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We're using some of these for indoor combat 16 in. sq and weigh 5.5 oz. using a 4 to 6oo ma 2 cell batt. Not hard to differentiate as you paint on your prefered warbird. These are made from $ Store foam so thay're more or less disposable. I'm runnind the 16 gram HXT motors, 10 amp ESC and 500 gram servos. Getting a little beat up Just more food for thought.

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Old Oct 31, 2012, 11:01 AM
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I like those $tree planes. Can you provide a link to the plans?
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PS The firefly has a mid mounted prop. We need props to cut streamers. I would think a front mounted prop would be better for cutting streamers. (my opinion, others will vary)
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Old Oct 31, 2012, 12:19 PM
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I'm afraid this is all I have. Just a drawing. Not good at computer drafting The upper and lower pieces are are left to your own disgression as to what plane you want to use.Sort of eyeball engineered. There are doublers on the sides of the fuse at the front to brace the 1/16 aircraft firewall. The landing gear wire is tied to the plywood motor mount with dental floss and CAed. I make my own horns from 1/32 plywood, as you can make them long to extend towards the rear of the surface to help keep it from bending. They're put together with hotglue other than the front doubler where I use UHU POR. I use it as a contact cement. Smear both halves to be glued together and let it sit for about 20 mins., then line them up good as once they make contact, you won't get it apart. Paint is DecoArt that you can get at the $ store. It'sthinned with water and spread on with a piece of sponge. Not exactly a work of art, but at 20 FT they look OK. Hope this helps.

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Old Oct 31, 2012, 09:53 PM
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danford1,

We have been flying indoor combat for the past 5 or 6 years now at a monthly indoor electric event just outside of Denver.

We have tried everything, and have two national competitors amongst us: Tom and Brian Neff. Brian brought home a 1st and a 2nd and Tom brought home a 2nd and a 3rd from this year's outdoor combat Nats.

We have tried 6mm depron foamies, 3mm depron foamies, and everything in between. We fly at an indoor full size soccer field - just big enough. We have flown in a gym but it is much too small for any type of combat other than the super slow flyers.

What we use and love: EPP FIV 50 polyhedral free flight gliders converted to 3 channel powered planes. I think you can still get them at lazertoyz.

They fly awesome and the speed is perfect for indoors. If I let you fly one of ours, you would never know it didn't have ailerons!

We tie streamers on some of the time, but we have migrated to full contact combat. Indoor combat eats up a lot of space quickly and is harder than one might think.

We use cheap motors, 500 mAh 2-cell lipos, cheap servos, and 6x3 props. We keep a hot glue gun on during our events to make the quick repairs.

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Old Nov 01, 2012, 08:33 AM
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danford1,

We have been flying indoor combat for the past 5 or 6 years now at a monthly indoor electric event just outside of Denver.

We have tried everything, and have two national competitors amongst us: Tom and Brian Neff. Brian brought home a 1st and a 2nd and Tom brought home a 2nd and a 3rd from this year's outdoor combat Nats.

We have tried 6mm depron foamies, 3mm depron foamies, and everything in between. We fly at an indoor full size soccer field - just big enough. We have flown in a gym but it is much too small for any type of combat other than the super slow flyers.

What we use and love: EPP FIV 50 polyhedral free flight gliders converted to 3 channel powered planes. I think you can still get them at lazertoyz.

They fly awesome and the speed is perfect for indoors. If I let you fly one of ours, you would never know it didn't have ailerons!

We tie streamers on some of the time, but we have migrated to full contact combat. Indoor combat eats up a lot of space quickly and is harder than one might think.

We use cheap motors, 500 mAh 2-cell lipos, cheap servos, and 6x3 props. We keep a hot glue gun on during our events to make the quick repairs.

Kurt
Kurt,
Is this the one?
http://www.lazertoyz.com/Fenix-45-Glider_p_147.html
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Old Nov 01, 2012, 04:36 PM
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We use the 32" wingspan version and they used to call it the FIV80 (80cm version). I have tried the smaller ones and they are too small, too fast, and too heavy for their size. I started with the FIV100 and that was too large and sluggish - I only fly the 100 outside. I sound like Goldilocks.

I see now that I said we use the FIV50 in my earlier post - I meant the FIV80. Sorry.

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Old Nov 01, 2012, 04:49 PM
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danford1,
We fly at an indoor full size soccer field - just big enough. We have flown in a gym but it is much too small for any type of combat other than the super slow flyers.
Yes, not surprised with those planes (originally "Fik") you need the space, I have some of those, but here in the UK locations that size hall space is just not available, and we didn't want slow speed either.

Three years ago I started a contact combat one design series using Leadfeather's excellent well balanced FireFly. These use the Suppo alias SP 2204 motor, 12A ESC and a 500mAh 3S. A 8x4.3 slowfly cut down to 7.5x4.3 is perfect.

After fortnightly winter sessions through the last three years, my original model is STILL going, albeit with a second motor as the first one wore out and a couple of damaged servos.

For UK sized halls a powerful rudder is ESSENTIAL, bank n yank is not the way.

Near 90 degree rudder and 75 degree elevons, and it'll do anything you want.

You need not be limited to super slow models, have proven it!!
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Old Nov 01, 2012, 07:20 PM
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We use the 32" wingspan version and they used to call it the FIV80 (80cm version). I have tried the smaller ones and they are too small, too fast, and too heavy for their size. I started with the FIV100 and that was too large and sluggish - I only fly the 100 outside. I sound like Goldilocks.

I see now that I said we use the FIV50 in my earlier post - I meant the FIV80. Sorry.

Kurt
I didn't find a FIV80 but I did find this.
Is it the same thing ?
http://www.lazertoyz.com/Fenix-80-GliderRC_p_149.html

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Old Nov 01, 2012, 07:27 PM
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Yes - FIV80, FIK80, and now they call them Fenix80.

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Old Dec 06, 2012, 08:58 PM
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Here are a few more choices http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1771408

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