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Old Feb 18, 2010, 05:50 PM
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KK Spectre RE-CADDED and for sale.

Not on the main web site, but a complete 3D remodel to make it hopefully better than it ever was. Have yet to make the cowl moulds, so delivery March appx.

Price £52.50 plus postage.

Only parts I couldn't source were the control horns for flaps and elevator - bent alloy drilled etc. And the undercart is not preformed. There is a sketch on our plan to show how it goes.

Some sold block is now laminated to make carving easier. All sheet pre-cut..

A must for any 'cunning stunter'!
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Old Feb 19, 2010, 04:33 AM
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Always a model I liked though it's about a million years since I had one. I quite fancy another but not really a noisy smelly one. How easy d'you reckon it would be to convert to electric ? I can't remember there being much room to squeeze the batteries in.

Steve
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Old Feb 19, 2010, 09:22 AM
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Always a model I liked though it's about a million years since I had one. I quite fancy another but not really a noisy smelly one. How easy d'you reckon it would be to convert to electric ? I can't remember there being much room to squeeze the batteries in.

Steve
SHOULD be possible..the engine bearers go anyway, and I think a pack slid down from the cockpit through the formers (suitably fretted) should work.

Guess about 350W really. 3s 2500 or so.

I don't have time to convert right now. WIP is already asking about RC version haha!

I think the answer is wait till the cowl exists, and then do something very similar for electric R/C and or electric C/L.
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Old Nov 12, 2011, 09:52 AM
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Wish I'd known about this one earlier.

Me and my best pal went halves on a KK Spectre back in the early 70's. Finished her in black, orange and white, and got a few circuits out of her, before the inevitable crash. I remember that we both thought the model was gigantic, compared to the other little plan-built control-liners that we were messing with.

Anyway, in a fit of nostalgia I picked up a Spectre plan and printwood from eBay last week and had completely forgotten that one wing was bigger than the other, for control line. The printwood is weapons grade balsa, mostly but it was the plan I was after really. Am now torn with the idea of an R/C electric conversion, as there is nowhere I can easily fly control line and I doubt I' manage to combat the dizziness anyway.

Did you get any further with the R/C conversion Vint?
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Old Nov 20, 2011, 04:28 PM
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Hi,

Some Keil Kraft Spectre original kit pictures below.
I had one in 1972 with Webra Winner 2.5 cc. I have an unbuilt kit today (and two Webra Winner).

Building & Flying instructions
http://www.algonet.se/~boem/Drawings...ft_SPECTRE.pdf

Plan, scale 1:1
http://www.algonet.se/~boem/Drawings..._scale_1-1.pdf

Formers and wing ribs
http://www.algonet.se/~boem/Drawings..._scale_1-1.pdf

/Bo

Keil Kraft SPECTRE
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Stunt model for 2.5-3.5 cc engine.
Wingspan 104 cm / 40.9 inch.

According to the plan suitable engines at the time:

Diesel:
ED 2.46
Frog 2.49
Oliver Tiger II & III
Taifun Tornado (Graupner)
Enya 15 D
Allen-Mercury 25
Allbon Rapier

Glow:
K & B .15 & .19
Veco .19
Fox .19
Barbina B.40 TN
O.S. Max-1 .15
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Old Nov 21, 2011, 02:53 AM
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Hi,

Some Keil Kraft Spectre original kit pictures below.
I had one in 1972 with Webra Winner 2.5 cc. I have an unbuilt kit today (and two Webra Winner).

Building & Flying instructions
http://www.algonet.se/~boem/Drawings...ft_SPECTRE.pdf

Plan, scale 1:1
http://www.algonet.se/~boem/Drawings..._scale_1-1.pdf

Formers and wing ribs
http://www.algonet.se/~boem/Drawings..._scale_1-1.pdf

/Bo

Keil Kraft SPECTRE
**************
Stunt model for 2.5-3.5 cc engine.
Wingspan 104 cm / 40.9 inch.

According to the plan suitable engines at the time:

Diesel:
ED 2.46
Frog 2.49
Oliver Tiger II & III
Taifun Tornado (Graupner)
Enya 15 D
Allen-Mercury 25
Allbon Rapier

Glow:
K & B .15 & .19
Veco .19
Fox .19
Barbina B.40 TN
O.S. Max-1 .15
Thanks very much! Your scans are much better than what I had!

Ray
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Old Nov 21, 2011, 07:08 AM
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Yep - thanks for that, the scans are indeed much better than what I paid a tenner for. Seriously considering whether to build one for RC and one for C/L, complete with PAW 2.49 diesel.
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Old Dec 03, 2011, 03:47 AM
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I picked up one of those printed half-kits as well. Sadly both the wood and the printing were pretty dire, so I ended up making most of it from scratch. Fortunately it's ended up one of my favourite models. It's got a PAW 19TBR in it, which is stacks of power even on 62' lines; on ~50' lines a 249 should be plenty.

I ended up redesigning the inside of the nose somewhat, partly to give the exhaust from the radial-ported PAW somewhere to go, and partly because I didn't have the plastic cowl and needed to make a balsa one instead.

You won't regret building one, as they really are a lovely model to fly.
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Old Dec 03, 2011, 05:21 AM
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She's beautiful Steve and your post has settled it for me - PAW 2.49 it has to be
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Old Dec 03, 2011, 06:32 AM
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As usual Steve, loverly work. The cowl looks like it lets lots of air through.

I also got one of the half kits. the wood in mine isn't too bad generally. Got to build it soon. Maybe use my Sabre 19.

Regards

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Old Dec 13, 2011, 02:44 PM
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[QUOTE=greggles47;20037943]As usual Steve, loverly work. The cowl looks like it lets lots of air through.

I also got one of the half kits. the wood in mine isn't too bad generally. Got to build it soon. Maybe use my Sabre 19.

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I just got mine Greg from a US seller and the wood looks fine but you gotta use a diesel in a Spectre
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Old Dec 15, 2011, 05:39 AM
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John,

I suspect you are right, I was just looking for a project for the Sabre.....

Keep on looking eh?

Oh & I'll use a Rustler Olly. OK??

Greg
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Old Dec 31, 2011, 05:41 AM
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I picked up one of those printed half-kits as well. Sadly both the wood and the printing were pretty dire, so I ended up making most of it from scratch. Fortunately it's ended up one of my favourite models. It's got a PAW 19TBR in it, which is stacks of power even on 62' lines; on ~50' lines a 249 should be plenty.

I ended up redesigning the inside of the nose somewhat, partly to give the exhaust from the radial-ported PAW somewhere to go, and partly because I didn't have the plastic cowl and needed to make a balsa one instead.

You won't regret building one, as they really are a lovely model to fly.
It's great Steve!
I too love this incredible model. Please, have you some pics of the inside of the nose and of the inside of the cowl? Your solution seems to be very simple and neat.

I attach a pic of my scratch builded Spectre after first flying sessions in october 2011. In nylon and modelspan dressed, powered by an Enya 19, it required about 20 grams in the tail. About 53' lines.

Thank you.
Paolo
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Old Jan 15, 2012, 05:48 AM
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Hi Paolo, that looks really nice (as far as I can tell on an iPhone). Sorry, I'm out of the country for a couple of weeks but will put a couple of photos up when I get back.

Cheers
Steve
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Old Mar 18, 2012, 05:49 PM
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Well after much searching, I turned up a PAW 15 (2.49) RC today, for a good price. Game on for the Spectre (and Mini Super). I've also ordered up a plan for a trainer, the old Jay Pee of my youth. Going for a summer of nostalgia.
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