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Old Oct 08, 2003, 03:01 AM
KenKnapp@webtv.net
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Wood Glue or CA...

I find I get a better blond with wood glue that CA...Stronger and easier
sanding...the only thing CA has got going for it is speed, even though I
have to wait over night for drying with the wood glue. Definately a
better plywood bond. In put please, thanx, ken

Old Oct 08, 2003, 03:01 AM
S. Boucher
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Re: Wood Glue or CA...

If wood glue will get me a better "blond" (blonde) then I'm all for it. ;-)

KenKnapp@webtv.net wrote:
> I find I get a better blond with wood glue that CA...Stronger and easier
> sanding...the only thing CA has got going for it is speed, even though I
> have to wait over night for drying with the wood glue. Definately a
> better plywood bond. In put please, thanx, ken
>


Old Oct 08, 2003, 03:01 AM
Anthony R
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Re: Wood Glue or CA...

Whatever works. Some people swear by alphatic as opposed to CA. Apparently
you can build lighter with it.

For me, CA has always worked fine and I'm not allergic to it...yet. If you
do get allergic there is always odor free CA, which is more expensive.


<KenKnapp@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> I find I get a better blond with wood glue that CA...Stronger and easier
> sanding...the only thing CA has got going for it is speed, even though I
> have to wait over night for drying with the wood glue. Definately a
> better plywood bond. In put please, thanx, ken
>



Old Oct 10, 2003, 03:00 AM
The Natural Philosopher
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Re: Wood Glue or CA...

KenKnapp@webtv.net wrote:

> I find I get a better blond with wood glue that CA



Never heard that glue was a babe magnet...you live and learn...
careful, you might get 'stuck' with her
:-)

Old Oct 10, 2003, 03:00 AM
Dr1Driver
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Re: Wood Glue or CA...

>Stronger and easier
>sanding.


Easier to sand - yes. Stronger - no. Check the specs. If your joint is
mechanically sound (no gaps, tight fit, etc.) then CA will be MUCH stronger
than any wood glue available to us commercially. Use thin CA for balsa, and
thick for plywood or hardwood.
Dr.1 Driver
"There's a Hun in the sun!"
Old Oct 10, 2003, 03:00 AM
MJC
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Re: Wood Glue or CA...

I'd argue the point that aliphatic builds lighter than CA, however, the
difference makes no difference.
At the same time, I agree that CA is stronger than aliphatic (IF the joint
is fit super tight with no gaps. If it's not a nicely fit joint, aliphatic
will be stronger). But just like with the weight difference, the strength of
a joint as opposed to aliphatic is irrelevant because it both cases, the
final strength is more than any design calls for. For example, if one glue
joint will withstand 300 pounds of stress and the other will withstand 250
pounds of stress, what does it matter if the applied stress is only going to
be 50 pounds?

MJC

"Anthony R" <junk999{nospam}@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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> Whatever works. Some people swear by alphatic as opposed to CA.

Apparently
> you can build lighter with it.
>
> For me, CA has always worked fine and I'm not allergic to it...yet. If

you
> do get allergic there is always odor free CA, which is more expensive.
>
>
> <KenKnapp@webtv.net> wrote in message
> news:13795-3F836F93-40@storefull-2235.public.lawson.webtv.net...
> > I find I get a better blond with wood glue that CA...Stronger and easier
> > sanding...the only thing CA has got going for it is speed, even though I
> > have to wait over night for drying with the wood glue. Definately a
> > better plywood bond. In put please, thanx, ken
> >

>
>



Old Oct 10, 2003, 03:00 AM
Paul McIntosh
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Re: Wood Glue or CA...

It is a rather moot point since virtually all glues are much stronger than
balsa!

--
Paul McIntosh
Desert Sky Model Aviation
http://fly.mcintoshcentral.com
"Dr1Driver" <dr1driver@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >Stronger and easier
> >sanding.

>
> Easier to sand - yes. Stronger - no. Check the specs. If your joint is
> mechanically sound (no gaps, tight fit, etc.) then CA will be MUCH

stronger
> than any wood glue available to us commercially. Use thin CA for balsa,

and
> thick for plywood or hardwood.
> Dr.1 Driver
> "There's a Hun in the sun!"



Old Oct 10, 2003, 03:00 AM
Pé Reivers
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Re: Wood Glue or CA...

In a wood bond with aliphatic glue, the wood will fail before the bond line
does.
It seems to me that this question of strength is purely academic, and leads
nowhere.
The only advantage I see is that CA can <harden> soft balsa, and will stand
up against aging much better.
However, the thus hardened wood will be brittle, and break next to the join,
so strengthwise there is nothing gained, wood being the limiting factor.

--
Rgds,

From Arcen, South-East in the Netherlands
preivers
@
mvvs-nl.com
http://mvvs-nl.com/
www.prme.nl


"Dr1Driver" <dr1driver@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >Stronger and easier
> >sanding.

>
> Easier to sand - yes. Stronger - no. Check the specs. If your joint is
> mechanically sound (no gaps, tight fit, etc.) then CA will be MUCH

stronger
> than any wood glue available to us commercially. Use thin CA for balsa,

and
> thick for plywood or hardwood.
> Dr.1 Driver
> "There's a Hun in the sun!"



Old Oct 10, 2003, 03:00 AM
John R. Agnew
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Re: Wood Glue or CA...

dr1driver@aol.com (Dr1Driver) wrote in message news:<20031008070424.29032.00000423@mb-m06.aol.com>...
> >Stronger and easier
> >sanding.

>
> Easier to sand - yes. Stronger - no. Check the specs. If your joint is
> mechanically sound (no gaps, tight fit, etc.) then CA will be MUCH stronger
> than any wood glue available to us commercially. Use thin CA for balsa, and
> thick for plywood or hardwood.
> Dr.1 Driver
> "There's a Hun in the sun!"



I use a lot of aliphatic resin because it's cheap and easy to work
with. Properly applied (good fit, clamped, etc.) all of the adhesives
we use result in a bond that's stronger than the wood, anyway, so use
what you like.
Old Oct 10, 2003, 03:00 AM
MJC
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Re: Wood Glue or CA...

With the notable exception of glue gun adhesive.

MJC

> I use a lot of aliphatic resin because it's cheap and easy to work
> with. Properly applied (good fit, clamped, etc.) all of the adhesives
> we use result in a bond that's stronger than the wood, anyway, so use
> what you like.



Old Oct 10, 2003, 03:00 AM
Paul McIntosh
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Re: Wood Glue or CA...

Even glue gun adhesive, IF USED PROPERLY, will be stronger than needed.
Problem is, people use it improperly and then complain about it.

--
Paul McIntosh
Desert Sky Model Aviation
http://fly.mcintoshcentral.com
"MJC" <nospam@noway.com> wrote in message
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> With the notable exception of glue gun adhesive.
>
> MJC
>
> > I use a lot of aliphatic resin because it's cheap and easy to work
> > with. Properly applied (good fit, clamped, etc.) all of the adhesives
> > we use result in a bond that's stronger than the wood, anyway, so use
> > what you like.

>
>



Old Oct 10, 2003, 03:00 AM
Morgans
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Re: Wood Glue or CA...


"Paul McIntosh" <paul@mcintoshcentral.com> wrote in message
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> Even glue gun adhesive, IF USED PROPERLY, will be stronger than needed.
> Problem is, people use it improperly and then complain about it.
>
> --
> Paul McIntosh


What would the proper way to use it? It has been unsuitable for me.
--
Jim in NC


Old Oct 10, 2003, 03:00 AM
Fred McClellan
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Re: Wood Glue or CA...

On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 04:27:23 GMT, "Anthony R"
<junk999{nospam}@shaw.ca> wrote:

>Whatever works. Some people swear by alphatic as opposed to CA. Apparently
>you can build lighter with it.
>
>For me, CA has always worked fine and I'm not allergic to it...yet. If you
>do get allergic there is always odor free CA, which is more expensive.
>
>




Take it from someone who managed to develop a severe allergy to the
original variety,"odor free CA" is oxymoronic with respect to allergic
reactions.


Cheers,
Fred McClellan
the dash plumber at mindspring dot com
Old Oct 10, 2003, 03:00 AM
Fred McClellan
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Re: Wood Glue or CA...

On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 07:30:10 -0500, "MJC" <nospam@noway.com> wrote:

>I'd argue the point that aliphatic builds lighter than CA, however, the
>difference makes no difference.
>At the same time, I agree that CA is stronger than aliphatic (IF the joint
>is fit super tight with no gaps. If it's not a nicely fit joint, aliphatic
>will be stronger). But just like with the weight difference, the strength of
>a joint as opposed to aliphatic is irrelevant because it both cases, the
>final strength is more than any design calls for. For example, if one glue
>joint will withstand 300 pounds of stress and the other will withstand 250
>pounds of stress, what does it matter if the applied stress is only going to
>be 50 pounds?
>


Or, what does it matter if the wood on either side of the joint fails
before the joint itself ?
Cheers,
Fred McClellan
the dash plumber at mindspring dot com
Old Oct 10, 2003, 03:00 AM
Fred McClellan
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Re: Wood Glue or CA...

On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 20:24:38 -0400, "Morgans"
<jjsumnorkgan@charter.net> wrote:

>
>"Paul McIntosh" <paul@mcintoshcentral.com> wrote in message
>news:bm22r7$2m3$1@sparta.btinternet.com...
>> Even glue gun adhesive, IF USED PROPERLY, will be stronger than needed.
>> Problem is, people use it improperly and then complain about it.
>>
>> --
>> Paul McIntosh

>
>What would the proper way to use it? It has been unsuitable for me.


There is no proper way to use the old types of hot melt glue; just
won't work.

According to the heavy hitters in the woodworking list, there are
some new types of 'hot melt glue' on the market, purportedly very much
better than the garden variety rubbery stuff.

Haven't tried them myself, mind you. A bit pricey for the hobby
budget right now.
Cheers,
Fred McClellan
the dash plumber at mindspring dot com
 


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