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Old Jan 31, 2013, 08:59 PM
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Real Rights vs. “Rights” (State-Dispensed Privileges)

A good article on the dependence and control masked as 'rights' using the new formulation of positive rights as 'rights'.

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Let us look at and analyze Roosevelt’s schedule of “rights,” a list he included in his 1944 State of the Union addressand which Sunstein cited as a model on which Obama and Congress might create a “Second Bill of Rights.” Roosevelt prefaced his address with the statement with one which contradicted what followed:

“This nation in the past two years has become an active partner in the world’s greatest war against human slavery. We have joined with like-minded people in order to defend ourselves in a world that has been gravely threatened with gangster rule.” (Emphasis mine.)

The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation.

Well, where does this “right” come from? If you, the individual, exist, then that somehow automatically entitles you to a job. Your mere existence creates the “right” to someone else’s property, money, or livelihood. Conversely, owners of industries, shops, farms and mines have a “duty” to provide you with that job. This is a formula for mutual slavery, not trade.

In the leftist/progressive or cultural Marxist political agenda, “rights” are not validated on man’s nature as a being of volitional consciousness who must establish his own values and pursue them without physical compulsion, coercion or interference by other men, and without resorting to force, but privileges that emanate from society and are doled out by the state acting for society.

Your metaphysical existence is accepted as a cipher of society, but rejected as a free, independent individual.
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Old Jan 31, 2013, 11:57 PM
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The left often is confused about what are God given rights (Life, liberty the pursuit of happiness, the right to self defense, be secure in your person from unreasonable search and seizure ect) and what are man made benefits like housing, health care, abundance of food ect.

We are born with rights from God that others often try for various reasons to infringe upon. We are not born with benefits. Benefits are manufactured by humans and must be asked for with hat in hand.
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Old Feb 01, 2013, 03:41 AM
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The left often is confused about what are God given rights (Life, liberty the pursuit of happiness, the right to self defense, be secure in your person from unreasonable search and seizure ect) and what are man made benefits like housing, health care, abundance of food ect.

We are born with rights from God that others often try for various reasons to infringe upon. We are not born with benefits. Benefits are manufactured by humans and must be asked for with hat in hand.
Currently the government demads other to pay for manufactured rights with a gun, the hat didn't work as well.
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Old Feb 01, 2013, 05:01 AM
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Man does not have any rights at all... Man is an animal, just like the rest of nature.

Any so called rights, are taken by man... or given by government.
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Old Feb 01, 2013, 05:09 AM
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Man does not have any rights at all... Man is an animal, just like the rest of nature.

Any so called rights, are taken by man... or given by government.
Speak for yourself. I was born with 10 of them that cannot be denied.
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Old Feb 01, 2013, 05:14 AM
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Speak for yourself. I was born with 10 of them that cannot be denied.
Correct, by virtue of your government.

And by accident of birthplace.
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Old Feb 01, 2013, 05:16 AM
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Correct, by virtue of your government.

And by accident of birthplace.
Wrong again Kenny.
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Old Feb 01, 2013, 05:23 AM
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People born in Somalia do not have the same rights as we do.
Rights are given to the people by the government.
In our case, we are the government, and we give and take away rights, ourselves.
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Old Feb 01, 2013, 05:27 AM
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Try reading the document those rights are listed in and come back when you understand it.
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Old Feb 01, 2013, 05:30 AM
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Try reading the document those rights are listed in and come back when you understand it.
Oh I understand.
The rights you speak of were written in a document by a new government.
The rights did not exist until then.
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Old Feb 01, 2013, 05:54 AM
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Oh I understand.
The rights you speak of were written in a document by a new government.
The rights did not exist until then.
Wrong again... try reading and not guessing.
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Old Feb 01, 2013, 06:02 AM
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Wrong again... try reading and not guessing.
God given rights, is a joke in my opinion.
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Old Feb 01, 2013, 09:06 AM
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God given rights, is a joke in my opinion.
That's you, that's not the rest of us.
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Old Feb 01, 2013, 12:13 PM
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People born in Somalia do not have the same rights as we do.
Rights are given to the people by the government.
In our case, we are the government, and we give and take away rights, ourselves.
Each individual born in Somalia (or anywhere else for that matter) has the same inherent, God given rights, but some peoples have not been very effective at securing those rights from infringement by their fellow humans.

Consider this a stern warning to the rest of us.
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Old Feb 01, 2013, 12:15 PM
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God given rights, is a joke in my opinion.
No doubt in the opinion of many other people as well.

That view allows the oppression of the helpless to be so easy.
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