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Old May 02, 2011, 03:32 PM
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30mm EDF He162 from Dollar Tree Glider

Thought I'd post a few pics of the wannabe 30mm EDF He162 from a Dollar Tree foam glider kit.

I chopped off the original tail feathers and made new ones from Dollar Tree's foam sheet.

The swept wings are glued on backwards and reversed side to side. There's enough thickness to get the correct airfoil shape.

The nacelle is from Dollar Tree foam sheet wrapped around a form and edge glued.

Receiver - DSM2 clone from Target Hobby.

Fan - 30mm blue housing and GWS 6 blade from HK

ESC - HK 6 amp

Motor - Turnigy 1220 brushless inrunner from HK

Battery - 2S 180 mah built from Zippy bulk batteries from HK
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Old May 03, 2011, 01:23 AM
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I like where this is going!
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Old May 03, 2011, 10:52 AM
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NC,

You've heard of stand-off scale. We're gonna call this one stand-way-back-and-squint-your-eyes scale.

Been wanting to model this one for a while. Had several starts in different scales, printing plans, up scaling Paper Models. This is the first one to actually get anywhere near completed.

I saw these gliders at the Dollar Tree- don't know if you have them in OZ- and thought it'd make a good 30mm airframe. And after a little closer inspection realised with the swept wing flipped front to back it resembled a Volksjäger.

I glued the fan on and added a little paint to get an idea how it will look.

And, since you're looking, how much should this thing weigh when done? Also, do you think V-tail or elevons for control?

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Old May 03, 2011, 05:32 PM
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Wow! Squinting really works well with this model!

It looks like you're going to hit over 100g's on it. V-Tail works well but won't let you roll very fast.
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Old May 04, 2011, 06:54 PM
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I would try and keep it as light as possible. Certainly under 100g. Every gram counts on these tiny jets!
Also I would shape the leading and trailing edge of the wings to make a smooth airfoil shape.
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Old May 04, 2011, 07:18 PM
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Thanks both of you. I set everything on the scale and it's over 100g so intend to address that. Is there a particular weight I should be shooting for?

I'll work on the airfoil as well. That'll shave a few g.

I'm putting the servos in the wings and am gonna try it with elevons.

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Old May 06, 2011, 12:19 PM
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Thanks both of you. I set everything on the scale and it's over 100g so intend to address that. Is there a particular weight I should be shooting for?

I'll work on the airfoil as well. That'll shave a few g.

I'm putting the servos in the wings and am gonna try it with elevons.

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umm I would think with your 2s 180 lipo you should shoot for 60grams little over half your weight - my 2S 30mm scratchbuild barely flies @ 62 grams no aerobatics but stays up (just barely)
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Old May 06, 2011, 04:49 PM
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Well here it is finished. But well over 60g-65g. I should have studied up a bit more on 30mm EDF before starting.

The dotted line on the second image is where I'm gonna perform the bellyectomy.

I think I'll go ahead and toss it once before I begin surgery for the 'elluvit.

Thanks for the guidance, y'all.

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Old May 06, 2011, 11:41 PM
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umm I would think with your 2s 180 lipo you should shoot for 60grams little over half your weight - my 2S 30mm scratchbuild barely flies @ 62 grams no aerobatics but stays up (just barely)
My 30mm EDF weighs 71g and flies very nicely. Fast and loop capable, no problems. I think you could go up to 80g but you would want a fairly low-drag airframe to compensate. You could probably even go 100g if you had the right kind of model built to DLG standard. ie. ultra low draw, smooth skin, low frontal area, etc.

You may as well see how it goes as is so that you get an idea of what to aim for if you decide to build something different. It's all about experimenting and learning, isn't it?
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Old May 07, 2011, 08:35 AM
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Looks good. I've wanted a Salamander since I saw the cave where they built them. Shoot for 2/3 thrust to weight so you don't have to fly full throttle all the time. I'm thinking the 1220 will draw more than the 180's can safely put out but don't know for sure. I'd do aileron elevator or tailerons.
I did a twin 30 biz jet with the dollar store gliders years ago, great cheap airframe. Looks like it can be bashed into more than a biz jet.
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Old May 07, 2011, 09:23 AM
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cool!

heres a link to the one i had...

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=894037
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Old May 07, 2011, 09:44 AM
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Thanks, everyone. CN, those pictures are gonna be a big help on the next one.

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Old May 09, 2011, 11:52 AM
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Tried to fly her but too heavy. Attempted to remove some weight by sanding the airframe but still way too much weight to fly.

I'm starting over but his time with quite a bit more knowledge going in.

I'm gonna try again with the same components. Just the components weigh in a 51g. I can shorten some wires and remove some heat shrink to recover a few grams but basically the airframe needs to be < 30g.

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Old May 09, 2011, 06:59 PM
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i think mine was about 4oz, andhad about a 16" ws, maybe 17. better luck on the next one...
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Old May 11, 2011, 09:43 AM
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I went to my local Dollar Tree to pick up another glider but they didn't have them. So, since I have a set of free flight plans in PDF for a Rapier L2 motor I'll be attempting to build it instead.

I scaled the plans up 125% to accommodate the fan. The formers will be from Dollar Tree sheet and the fuselage will be covered with 1mm sheeting ripped from the Dollar Tree sheet on a hot wire cutter. The flying surfaces will be cut from the full size sheet.

I'm shooting for an empty airframe of 25g to 30g which will give an AUW of ~ 75g - 80g.

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