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Old Sep 24, 2013, 10:57 AM
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Sad news for the Martin Mars

Some genius in the Canadian gobmt decided they don't want the Mars tankers on contract anymore. Instead they will pay more $$ for smaller planes.

I would hope someone would bring them stateside to work fires in AZ, CO, NM, etc., but they may well be headed to museums.

http://www.canada.com/Last+Martin+Ma...572/story.html
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Old Sep 24, 2013, 03:59 PM
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That is too bad.
Unfortunately land based birds make more sense around here.
Those DC-10's kicked A** around here this summer.
DC 10 air tanker on Doce fire, az (1 min 3 sec)


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I remember sitting on a dock on Sproat Lake, Vancouver Island, in 1971, watching the Mars do touch-and-goes for about an hour right in front of us. Beautiful sight!

Also, watching from across the Fraser River in about 1963 when a lumber mill in New Westminster was burning. It only took one pass by the Mars to douse the flames to the point where the fire trucks could get in.

Sad to see over 50 years of the fire fighting Mars probably coming to an end.
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Old Sep 27, 2013, 03:13 PM
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Sorry to see what looks to be the last chapter in the life of such an historic and impressive airplane.

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Old Sep 27, 2013, 04:54 PM
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I still can't see where a "land-and- pump" like a DC-10 would be able to be more effective than a high-capacity "touch-and-go" like the Mars.
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Old Sep 27, 2013, 05:21 PM
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Well it helps if you have a enough water to land on! And all the firefighter base are on land around here. Kinda handy if you want to do maintenance.
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Painfully short article for an aircraft with such a long and interesting history. Hopefully a proper tribute is coming down the pipe. (Or maybe someone will buy them and continue the legacy?)
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I love what they are doing with the Jumbo air tanker conversions. But we still have a shortage of tankers in the USA, especially the waterborne variety that can deliver large amounts and quick cycle times.

THe Mars has served extended deployments in California and Mexico in recent years, so can't be too hard to find a place for it. Plenty of seaplane bases in Florida as well - and we get our share of fires too.

I just hope it can keep flying somehow....
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Old Oct 01, 2013, 03:30 PM
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I'm pretty sure the Mars are the last flying Martin Aircraft anywhere in the world.

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Old Oct 01, 2013, 04:35 PM
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I have seen Kermit Weeks fly the Martin B-26. It's a hotrod, more than you would glean from pics and movies. Helps that those radials were purring like v-12's.

http://www.fantasyofflight.com/aircr...-marauder.aspx

BTW - I also put a copy of the Mars story on Kermit's FB page - since he may be someone that could keep it flying.

Also, NASA still flies WB-57's, and just had one pulled from the boneyard and bought back to flying condition:
http://www.warbirdsnews.com/warbird-...-41-years.html

I bet there are still a few 4-0-4's bopping around
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I have seen Kermit Weeks fly the Martin B-26. It's a hotrod, more than you would glean from pics and movies. Helps that those radials were purring like v-12's.

http://www.fantasyofflight.com/aircr...-marauder.aspx

BTW - I also put a copy of the Mars story on Kermit's FB page - since he may be someone that could keep it flying.

Also, NASA still flies WB-57's, and just had one pulled from the boneyard and bought back to flying condition:
http://www.warbirdsnews.com/warbird-...-41-years.html

I bet there are still a few 4-0-4's bopping around
Good info!

I knew Kermit had one, but I didn't realize it was flying. Last one before his was the CAF B-26 which crashed back in the mid 1990s IIRC.

I forgot about the NASA WB-57s. I know the B-57 was a license-built
English Electric Canberra, but was the WB-57 a Martin-only design?

The last known flight of a 404 was in 2008, but you are right - there might be one bopping around South America. There are at least three potentially flyable 404s in the U.S.

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Good info!

.......

I forgot about the NASA WB-57s. I know the B-57 was a license-built
English Electric Canberra, but was the WB-57 a Martin-only design?

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The WB-57Fs (and the RB-57Fs they were derived from) were actually listed as General Dynamics aircraft, as they designed and built the conversion. The B-57 was so extensively modified that only most of the fuse and most of the horizontal tail was retained. All new wings, engines, vertical tail and nose on the fuse were created.

Martin did the less successful extended wing RB-57E.

So, technically, there are some Martin built parts still flying in the WB-57F aircraft.
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Kermit Weeks also has a Martin 404, but it is in pieces and is a long way from being airworthy.

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I happened to be passing by Sproat Lake, where the Mars' are stationed, this weekend on my way back from a vacation in Tofino. Unfortunately there was no one around to talk to or give a tour, but I snapped a photo through the fence.

The Philippine Mars has been repainted to her original Navy color scheme, and I found out that it's eventually destined to go to the Naval Air Museum in Pensacola, FL after it clears a mountain or two of red tape.

The Hawaii Mars sits in front, still in Coulson Flying Tankers livery, awaiting its fate. The owner said in a recent article that it ain't over yet, and that the Hawaii has been significantly upgraded to make things more modern/reliable/safer. Perhaps there is still hope!

Just wish I could get up close to one of these beauties before they're gone.
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Old Oct 10, 2013, 07:39 AM
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I hadn't seen a pic of the Phillipene Mars since it was repainted, so thanks.

The truck in the middle of the picture holds wing tanks for a C-130, which I understand Coulson has started operating.
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