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Old Jul 31, 2015, 08:09 PM
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365 companies, investors throw weight behind EPA’s Clean Power Plan

What a grand thing! American companies acting together to reduce carbon emissions. Congratulations to the corporate leaders of America!

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Hundreds of companies and investors sent a letter to 29 governors in the U.S. on Friday to show their support for the Clean Power Plan to slash carbon emissions in the electricity sector.

The Environmental Protection Agency's plan establishes pollution standards for existing power plants, for the first time limiting the amount of carbon dioxide they can pump into the air.

General Mills, Nestle, Staples, Adidas and Mars were among the 365 businesses and investors — which ranged from small companies to industry giants — to sign the letter organized by Ceres, a Boston-based sustainability nonprofit.
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Old Jul 31, 2015, 10:40 PM
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It's a grand thing to waste money and resources on a epic scale?
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Old Jul 31, 2015, 10:46 PM
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It found that wind energy development makes for perhaps the most cost-effective option for reducing carbon emissions and reaching those targets for nearly all of the regions.
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The Solar Energy Industries Association, a trade group for the solar industry, similarly says solar can help states transition off of fossil-fuel-dominant energy portfolios.


They must have a different metric for 'cost effective', meaning 'more expensive'.

Since when is spending more to get the same product 'cost effective'?
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Old Jul 31, 2015, 11:02 PM
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Policymakers should level the playing field by adopting policies that accelerate and expand investment in clean energy. Companies and investors should advocate for:
As you can see, LTUP is not the only place where words don't mean what they mean. Here we see the advocacy to 'level the playing field' by intentionally biasing it towards a policy goal.
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Old Jul 31, 2015, 11:17 PM
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A bunch of money grubbing fools. The Koolaid served is very strong.
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Old Jul 31, 2015, 11:18 PM
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IF they grubbed their own money, that would be one thing. But that's not the goal. The goal is to be on board to reap the rewards of 'leveling' the playing field.... by filling their pockets with everyone else's money.
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What a grand thing! American companies acting together to reduce carbon emissions. Congratulations to the corporate leaders of America!

http://news.yahoo.com/365-companies-...182736279.html
There you go, Sonny !

I knew it would happen without even looking.

The first five responses are from crazed extreme right-wingers who want to keep driving their big 'pretend macho' SUVs.

And of course, have no qualifications WHATSOEVER to know whether global warming is happening or not, and if it is, what or who is causing it. But they are 'against' while totally lacking any knowledge or competence in the subject, so crazed, as I said. And it's certainly not just them.

Just pure, blind, prejudice is all. Not a sign of the sensible precautionary approach, as in "It might be happening so we had better take some action because that might be good and can't do any harm." (I'm putting that explanation in for them, not you, as for sure they wouldn't have given it a thought.)

One of 'em even calls them fools.
Yeah, right. Corporate leaders always are fools. Foolishness how you get to the top.
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If Staples was serious they could reduce their carbon foot print significantly overnight. All they need to do is turn off all those unnecessary items like, computers on display, heat/AC, most of the overhead lighting, outdoor signage, security camera's, automatic doors, and parking lot lights. Reducing employee's would have great effect, as they would not need to commute to work. Then the landscaping could go back to nature, the water savings would also be beneficial.
I don't see them doing any of it, so I doubt their sincerity.
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If Staples was serious they could reduce their carbon foot print significantly overnight. All they need to do is turn off all those unnecessary items like, computers on display, heat/AC, most of the overhead lighting, outdoor signage, security camera's, automatic doors, and parking lot lights. Reducing employee's would have great effect, as they would not need to commute to work. Then the landscaping could go back to nature, the water savings would also be beneficial.
I don't see them doing any of it, so I doubt their sincerity.
None of them are sincere, we all know that. Who's going to go and look at a lit-up computer in a shop window on some crap trading estate in the middle of the night?

It's just the idiotically biased comments posted by the scientific 'know nothings' that are so silly.
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It's very simple.... they want the governemnt to impose onerous mandates so they can invest in the companies that will produce the necessary equipment to meet the mandates. These companies have no altruistic motives wrt the environment whatsoever. Even the shallowest minded liberal should be able to figure that out.
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It's very simple.... they want the governemnt to impose onerous mandates so they can invest in the companies that will produce the necessary equipment to meet the mandates. These companies have no altruistic motives wrt the environment whatsoever. Even the shallowest minded liberal should be able to figure that out.
Figure it out? ... Yes ... Admit it? No.
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Can we get some Obama subsidies for us little people? Or let the 365 companies and investors pay the cost of this?
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Consider first the enormous costs inflicted by this regulation. According to NERA Economic Consulting, consumer electricity rates are expected to increase by between 9 and 20% each year from 2017 to 2031. Similar increases are expected in the industrial sector. Energy Ventures Analysis estimates businesses across the nation will pay an average 56% more for electricity in 2020 than they did in 2012.

For high-income earners with solid financial footing, these rate increases will hardly break the bank. The same cannot be said for low- and middle-income households that disproportionately bear the brunt of higher energy costs.

The message from this is unmistakable: The poorer you are, the more rising energy prices harm you and your family. In that sense, the EPA’s regulation acts as a regressive energy tax that America’s low- and middle-income families plainly cannot afford.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin...arm-than-good/

And wow, what are we getting for this?
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Perhaps the regulation’s supporters feel compelled to make these claims due to its negligible climate benefits. According to the EPA’s own climate models, it will only limit global warming by 0.02 degrees and slow sea-level rise by 0.01 inch by the year 2100.
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Can we get some Obama subsidies for us little people? Or let the 365 companies and investors pay the cost of this?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin...arm-than-good/

And wow, what are we getting for this?
Makes the cost of "Bush's wars" seem like chump change
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Photo of Manhattan in 1970 - before the Clean Air Act. Yeah, those were the 'good old days'...

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Photo of Manhattan in 1970 - before the Clean Air Act. Yeah, those were the 'good old days'...

So who is advocating going back to pre-Clean Air Act levels of non-regulation?

You've got the moving boat, hook, and line. Gotta get better bait.
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