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Old Nov 24, 2012, 11:41 AM
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which helicopter for beginner?

I have flown a few 3 channel cheap china models. DH 9100, s107,DH 9101 with no problems


I am considering one of these as an upgrade:

Walkera Lama 3

http://www.jaghobbies.com/rc_helicopters/lama3.htm

or the:

Walkera HM CB180D

http://www.xheli.com/wahmcbhe2mee1.html

which i heard handles exactly as the dh 9116 model. not sure if its as durable
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Old Nov 24, 2012, 12:59 PM
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Both are obsolete and have very poor durability. The CB180D went through several upgrade versions and ultimately became the V200D01. Walkera does not make any helis with flybars, haven't for well over a year. For your skill level, a WL Toys V911 or V929 quad would be a much better choice.
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Old Nov 24, 2012, 01:11 PM
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Am looking for something the size of V200D01, maybe the newer model: Walkera HM V200D02 , not sure though if it is harder to fly then the CB. I am past the v911 as i think the 9100 3.5 channel was more challenging to keep stable and fly then it.

i did try the blade elite sr but could not get it of the ground successfully. so am looking for something easier.
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The V200D01 and V200D02 are harder to fly than the CB180D, largely because of much faster response and more movement authority. If you are beyond the V911 in skill, it is unlikely a DH9116 or CB180D would be of much use to you, they are both tamer than the V911; the DH9116 by a considerable amount. A micro quad or Blade 120SR would be the most logical next step, if it's your intention to progress. The V200D02 has the same reliabilty issues as the CB180D, due to poor design and crappy motors. It's just the same bad CB180D design and components with a different head. With any of these Walkera flybarless models, you will be replacing servos.
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Old Nov 24, 2012, 01:49 PM
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is the V200D01 the same issues?
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Old Nov 24, 2012, 02:07 PM
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is the V200D01 the same issues?
The V200D02 and CB180D use Walkera poor quality brushed motors with a remote tail motor driven by a shaft that had lots of issues with heat build-up and friction. There was an aftermarket fix for this that replaced the entire tail drive system with a direct drive brushed motor. Walkera released the CB180Z with a brushless motor and shaft driven viable pitch tail replacing the tail motor system. The CB180Z became the V200D01 and the CB180D became the V200D02, both by swapping to flybarless heads. All of these models are now obsolete, though the V200D01 may still exist as the Exceed Classima for awhile.

Walkera helis made before this year are not as durable as what they are making now. They have switched to high quality plastics instead of softer aluminum for most of their components and it has made quite a difference. Walkera also churns models very frequently, so don't expect anything you buy to be current for long. That does effect resale price and parts availability.
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Old Nov 25, 2012, 10:08 AM
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I did not know that. I had poor quality problems with the elite blade sr. Gears stripped in a heart beat. Also I still want to stay with fixed pitch instead of collective pitch helicopters.
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Old Nov 25, 2012, 10:41 AM
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Check out the blade 120sr.
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Old Nov 25, 2012, 11:24 AM
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the blade sr 120 should be good. I have 2 of them on order coming in. What am looking into though is something larger for outside as well? any options?
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the blade sr 120 should be good. I have 2 of them on order coming in. What am looking into though is something larger for outside as well? any options?
To be honest, any fix pitch requires calm days to fly. Something larger for outdoors your now steping into the realm of collective pitch. However a properly set up c.p will be just as easy to fly as a f.p. its all about the helis set up in the hobby.
As far as c.p what Intrigues you ? Micro-mini-?

P.s you have a sim. Yes ? If not there golden to have.
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Old Nov 25, 2012, 11:58 AM
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The only larger FP helis are the MJX F45, DH9116 and Multiplex Funcopter. The Funcopter is plenty large, but will cost you at least $700 with all the needed upgrades. The DH9116 and F45 are basically toy grade. They are overweight and underpowered and require lots of upgrades and fixes. But, the real issue is their performance is considerably less than the V911. They are over-stabilized and have poor movement authority. Their main attraction is that they appear to be cheap, but for what they will end up costing versus what they teach you, you can do much better. Any of these FP helis will require you to learn to wind surf. They are not good in any wind.

The only FP "heli" that will do well in wind is a quad. They also seriously out-perm any conventional FP heli and will teach you a whole lot more.
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To be honest, any fix pitch requires calm days to fly. Something larger for outdoors your now steping into the realm of collective pitch. However a properly set up c.p will be just as easy to fly as a f.p. its all about the helis set up in the hobby.
As far as c.p what Intrigues you ? Micro-mini-?

P.s you have a sim. Yes ? If not there golden to have.

no sim yet. I need something of alteast the size of CB180D or larger. The reason I say no to CP is the setup itself. I had a blade elite sr that drove me nuts to set up properly and fly. so CP is to advanced for me right now.
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no sim yet. I need something of alteast the size of CB180D or larger. The reason I say no to CP is the setup itself. I had a blade elite sr that drove me nuts to set up properly and fly. so CP is to advanced for me right now.
Dont sell yourself short on thoughts of going c.p....looking back many ppl regret even starting with a co-axe or even a fix pitch..there is just sooooo much help in forums to be had with any model. Check out fin less bobs set up videos over in helifreak. He makes the rookie walk thru on builds and set ups very easy to comprehend.
My opinion: Stay away from walkera, its a money pit.
See yourself long term in the hobby ? A sim. is a must have, will save you hundreds of dollars down the road.


P.s that blade SR you had has always been a hated heli by many people. ( try not to base your c.p skill set on that heli alone) Its amazing that H.H has not shelved it yet. Its always on peoples most regretted purchases. Live and learn eh.
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The only larger FP helis are the MJX F45, DH9116 and Multiplex Funcopter. The Funcopter is plenty large, but will cost you at least $700 with all the needed upgrades. The DH9116 and F45 are basically toy grade. They are overweight and underpowered and require lots of upgrades and fixes. But, the real issue is their performance is considerably less than the V911. They are over-stabilized and have poor movement authority. Their main attraction is that they appear to be cheap, but for what they will end up costing versus what they teach you, you can do much better. Any of these FP helis will require you to learn to wind surf. They are not good in any wind.

The only FP "heli" that will do well in wind is a quad. They also seriously out-perm any conventional FP heli and will teach you a whole lot more.



i was considering the Parrot AR.Drone 2.0 but there not cheap. not sure about parts for them as well.
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Old Nov 25, 2012, 04:56 PM
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i was considering the Parrot AR.Drone 2.0 but there not cheap. not sure about parts for them as well.
Actually, the Parrot AR is one of the lessor performing quads in stock form and is overpriced. I was thinking more of a Blade MQx or WLtoys V949 micro, which is a copy of the MQx. They are very durable. Or, something like this is much better than the Parrot: http://www.xheli.com/05h100-quadcopt...n-rtf-24g.html. Good LuckBuy sells several version of it as well, but you will have to provide the TX/Rx: http://www.goodluckbuy.com/f450-quad...assembled.html. Not as durable as the the MQx or V949, but serous performance.
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