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Old Feb 25, 2004, 12:07 PM
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Please add yours here. With any luck it’ll stay near the top, or better yet get “sticky’d”.


Use sheets/format in this post (thanks plane_tech): http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...&postcount=433 !


Several folks and sites have tried this, but they seem to get outdated (not updated) very quickly. The E-Zone with all its helpful folks could make this the 1st and only place to search when looking for this type of info.

This is meant for systems other than “stock”; including upgrades from stock, conversions, something different and flyable, etc.

Some of this info can be found in other threads and forums (several forums for some planes); but this central location maybe more useful. For example, several folks have done very successful changes to the stock GWS A-10; these are listed in no less than 3 forums: Park, Foamie, Jet, GWS, etc.

Beyond looking at a plane itself, one could search the data and see how other folks have used a specific: motor, ESC, Cell(s), etc. Suppose you have a Mega 22/30/3 NIB and want to see how others have used it, a search within this thread would show the EDF, Scale, Sport, Electric Sailplanes (etc.) of others (direct or geared); maybe you then would do something different from what you had thought possible.


The following parameters are a start of those to list:
Model/subject:
Motor:
Speed Control:
Cell type/count:
Prop/fan:
Reduction method and ratio:
Amps:
Watts:
RPM:
Weight Read to Fly:
Comments and links to other forums for more info, video, etc.
Picture
Etc.


Here’s one of mine to get things started:

Model: GWS A-10 -- Upgrade
Motor: S300 7.2 Volt
Speed Control: Jeti 180
Cell type/count: LiPo – TP2100-3S
Prop/fan: GWS EDF50 – 5 blade
Reduction method and ratio: n/a
Amps: 15.7
Watts: 158
RPM: n/a
Weight RTF: 18oz
Comments, etc.: a great fun flyer; loops from level flight, rolls and other aeros; great straffing/bombing/tank killing runs! The tail wheel mod allows for easy RoG with the spoked wheels. Originally flew it with 10xHE1100s (14.7aamps, 141watts, RTF 21oz), flew well; but now its really fun! EDF 50 mods can be found in the following link:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...5&pagenumber=6


Jim


PS: In an effort to keep this thread concise and on topic please pm/em folks for additional info; e-mail is best for me.



PDF summary is from plane_tech's posting ( http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...&postcount=427 ); format is shown as jpg below -- many thanks!
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Old Feb 25, 2004, 12:08 PM
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Another:

Model: ModelTech P-51 w/retracts – Conversion -- http://www.hobbypeople.net/gallery/123695.asp
Motor: Aveox 27/39/2
Speed Control: Aveox SH48
Cell type/count: LiPo – TP7800-5S4P
Prop/fan: APC 4 blader 15x11, trimmed to 12.5
Reduction method and ratio: MEC SuperBox (60/13 = 4.62)
Amps: 33
Watts: 600+
RPM: prop 5.8k
Weight RTF: 7.5#
Comments, etc.: a great and fun to fly warbird, QED conversion! Nothing like flying or watching a Mustang do a strafing run followed by a victory roll (video here: http://rcgroups.com/gallery/showgall...when=&whenterm ). Originally flew with 18xP3000 Zapped in MEC SPTs & (60/12); the extra 12oz were not an issue.
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Old Feb 25, 2004, 01:33 PM
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Model: Wattage Omega 636 -- Upgrade
Motor: Mega 22/20/3E
Speed Control: Jeti 30-3P
Cell type/count: 6, 7, or 8
Prop/fan: APC“F” 10x6 w/Aeronaut spinner & collet adapter
Reduction method and ratio: n/a
Amps: 23, 26, 30+
Watts: 140, 180, 250+
RPM: n/a
Weight RTF: w/o pack 2#-2oz
Comments, etc.: Now a hot liner! Stands on its tail; lots of down elevator to keep the climb angle comfortable. Uses sub C packs, even 8xXXXX in SPTs; 8 Zapped and Pasted P3000s from Pete is unbelievable.
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Old Feb 25, 2004, 02:03 PM
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Model: Wattage Hawk – experimental EDF
Motor: Johnson 180
Speed Control: Jeti 180
Cell type/count: LiPo – TP2100-3S
Prop/fan: KP-44
Reduction method and ratio: n/a
Amps: 8
Watts: 85+
RPM: n/a
Weight RTF: 14oz
Comments, etc.: originally used as test bed for Micro/Dare/EJF A-10 & flown with 10xAAA NiMh. Fun to fly, bungee launched.


Model: Wattage Hawk – with gearbox & folder
Motor: Wattage 370
Speed Control: Jeti 180
Cell type/count: LiPo – TP2100-2S
Prop/fan: Folder -- Hitech/FunTech Sky Scooter
Reduction method and ratio: Wattage -- 3.67
Amps: 8+
Watts: 60+
RPM: n/a
Weight RTF: 12oz
Comments, etc.: fly it stock fast & fun. Drop in the gear & folder it’s a little hot liner; lots of fun and very long flights w/TPs, even thermals.

Additional comments: keep both EDF and prop version in car all summer long for lunch hour+ flying.
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Old Feb 25, 2004, 02:52 PM
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Model: H9 Cub (82”) -- conversion
Motor: Aveox 27/39/2
Speed Control: Kontronik 3SL40-6-18
Cell type/count: 16xP3000s Zapped in two 8 cell SPTs
Prop/fan: APC“E” 16x10
Reduction method and ratio: MEC SuperBox (60/12 = 5.00)
Amps: 28
Watts: 500
RPM: 5.4k
Weight RTF: 8#-10oz
Comments, etc.: Well beyond “Cubish” performance; 3+ successive loops QED. Or put around Cub like at 1/3 throttle for 15 minutes. Skis w/snow; floats this summer. Originally flown with a Mega 22/30/3.

Used my Cub as a test bed for an outrunner; the 4130/16 pulls more amps using a smaller prop (15x8) -- flies OK, just no as long since the motor is less efficient.


Update 10/20/09 -- Cub still flies in my final configuration, though it is with a new owner: AXI 4130/16 on A123-5S2P w/APCE 16x8. Sold it after doing a 1/4: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1004650 & http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=752795 .


Model: Global American Flyer -- conversion
Motor: Aveox 27/26/2
Speed Control: Kontronik 3SLB40-6-12
Cell type/count: 10, 11, 12
Prop/fan: APC“E” 13x10
Reduction method and ratio: 60/: 16 = 3.75, 15 = 4.00, 14 = 4.29
Amps: 33
Watts: 360, 405, 450
RPM: 6.3k+
Weight RTF: 6# +/- 3oz
Comments, etc.:2nd EP, followed Zagi when I re-entered RC 4 years ago after a 15year sabbatical. Lots of winter fun with skis. Here’s a link to a thread that describes an “Economical” power system I’ve used in the old Red White & Blue based on the Trinity Maxx Mild upgrade motor for the Traxxis E-Maxx; all the stuff is normally available at a local hobby shop: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...hreadid=155981 . Originally flown with a Aveox 1114/4Y.


Model: Kyosho T-33 -- upgrade
Motor: Aveox 1010/2Y (3k Kv)
Speed Control: Kontronik 3SLB40-6-12
Cell type/count: 12x1950 FAUP NiMh “Zapped”
Prop/fan: stock w/upgrade collet & spinner
Reduction method and ratio: n/a
Amps: 39+
Watts: 480+
RPM: n/a
Weight RTF: 50oz
Comments, etc.: Sierra Hotel! An absolute rush from bungee launch to landing (slows way down); have another in the rafters.


Model: Global FreeStyle -- conversion
Motor: Aveox 27/39/2
Speed Control: Kontronik 3SL70-6-18
Cell type/count: 16xP3000s Zapped in two 8 cell SPTs
Prop/fan: APC“E” 15x10
Reduction method and ratio: MEC SuperBox (60/13 = 4.62)
Amps: 30
Watts: 500
RPM: 5.8k
Weight RTF: 6.5#
Comments, etc.: I fly pattern rather than 3D, though she climbs in an interesting manner ˝ loop to ˝ outside loop to ˝ loop – times two. Originally flown with a MaxCim Y (w/o MaxCim ESC).


Won’t bore you with any more, these were easy to do during lunch. All above are flyable, couple more also; and currently doing .60 scale/aerobatic conversion with Mega 22/30/3 on 20 and twin EDF of Multiplex Sonic Liner using Kyosho Learjet nacelles on TP7800-5S4P.


Some from others?
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Old Feb 25, 2004, 04:10 PM
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Model/subject: JKA Big-T
Motor: Endoplasma
Speed Control: Great Planes 50 Amp
Cell type/count: 7 x GoldPeak 3300 NIMH
Prop/fan: 12x8 Master Airscrew Folder or APC 12x6E
Reduction method and ratio: Great Planes 3.8:1 gearbox
Amps: 35 - 40 (motocalc)
Watts: About 250 (motocalc)
Weight Ready to Fly: 5 pounds

Flew like a gentle trainer for up to 20 minutes per pack.

I used the same setup in a JKA T-52 with ailerons. That one could almost hover, but came down fast once the power was cut.
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Old Feb 25, 2004, 04:29 PM
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Model: Topmodels Navaho (NES website)
Motor: Mega 16/15/3
Speed Control: Castle Creations Phoenix 35A
Cell type/count: 3s2p TP2100
Prop: Graupner CAM 10x6
Reduction Method and Ratio: Model Motors 3:1 GB
Amps: 25
Watts: 255
Weight RTF: 22.4oz
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Old Feb 25, 2004, 04:34 PM
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Model: Combat Wings Mini XE
Motor: Mega 16/15/2
Speed Control: Castle Creations Phoenix 45
Cell type/count: 3s2p Tanic 2600
Prop: APC 4.1x4.1
Reduction Method and Ratio: N/A
Amps: 45
Watts: 450
Weight RTF: 22.8oz
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Old Feb 25, 2004, 09:15 PM
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I'll sticky this for a while to see how it grows.. DO NOT DISCUSS THESE POWER SYSTEMS IN THIS THREAD. Simply contribute what has worked for you - start another thread to discuss a particular setup if you'd like..
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Old Feb 26, 2004, 02:27 AM
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stinger 10
mega 16/15/5
jeti 30-3p esc
3s2p kokam 1500
apc 8x4
direct drive
amps and watts?
rtf weight is 25 oz.
maiden flight was long enough to get the shakes!
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Old Feb 26, 2004, 01:31 PM
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Model: Pilot Seduction Wildstyle
Motor: AXI 2820/10
Speed Control: MM4012
Cell type/count: 10 x CP1700
Prop/fan: 17x10 APC 'E'
Reduction method and ratio: VKM 2:1 gearbox
Amps: 32
Watts: 350 HOC
RPM:no idea
Weight Read to Fly: 64oz

Great cheap set-up and allows hovering at 3/4 power for the entire flight.
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Old Feb 26, 2004, 01:34 PM
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Model: Flair Pupetteer
Motor: AXI 4120/14
Speed Control: Jeti 70 Advance
Cell type/count: 16 x CP1700
Prop/fan: 13 x 6.5 APC 'E'
Reduction method and ratio: None
Amps: 47
Watts: 750ish
RPM:
Weight Read to Fly: 8.5 lbs

Ever seen a Pup go vertical? Stupid amounts of power and very quiet to.
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Old Feb 27, 2004, 11:44 AM
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Model: SX2
Motor: Himaxx 2025-4200
ESC: CC Phoenix 25
Cell type/count: 3s Etec 1200
Prop: GWS 11x4.7 SF
Reduction/Gear Ratio: GWS "D" 6.6:1
Amps: 8.2 (motocalc)
RPM: 6047 (motocalc)
Weight Ready to Fly: 13.7oz
Comments: excellent combo, no problems at all.
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Old Feb 27, 2004, 12:18 PM
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Data given is 'measured' static condititons. Altitude : 5200 feet

Model: MM Switchback 3D + retracts
Motor: MiniAC1215/16
ESC: CC Phoenix 25
Cell type/count: 8 cell KAN1050s, 9 cell CPB650s (like very much)
Prop: APC 11x7SF
Reduction/Gear Ratio: GWS "C" 5.3:1
Amps: 11.9 ( 9 cell CPB650s static test)
Volts : 9.2
Watts : 110
RPM: 4950
AUW: 17.5 oz with 9 cell CPB650 battery
Prop: APC 10x7SF
Reduction/Gear Ratio: GWS "B" 4.3:1
Amps: ~12
RPM:
Watts :
Comments: excellent combos, no problems at all.

Model: MM Tantrum #1
Motor: MiniAC1215/16
ESC: CC Phoenix 25
Cell type/count: 8/9 cell CPB650s (like very much)
Prop: APC 12x6SF
Reduction/Gear Ratio: GWS "c" 5.3:1
Amps: 12.4
Volts : 8.6
Watts : 106
RPM: 4,620
Weight Ready to Fly: 17oz
Comments: excellent combos, no problems at all. Use plenty of throttle control.

Model: MM Tantrum #2
Motor: AXI 2212/34
ESC: CC Phoenix 25
Cell type/count: 9 cell CPB650s & Irate 1500 3s1P LiPo
Prop: APC 12x6SF
Reduction/Gear Ratio: NONE
Amps:
Volts :
Watts :
RPM:
Weight Ready to Fly: 15oz
Comments: excellent combo. Use plenty of throttle control. Accelerate out of hover (not explosive). 20+ minute flight time with LiPo pack. Very quiet .

Model: MM Flashback V1 and V2
Motor: Hacker B20L/15
ESC: CC Phoenix 25
Cell type/count: 9 cell KAN1050s
Prop: APC 11x7E
Reduction/Gear Ratio: 4:1
Amps: 15
Volts: 8.2
Watts: 123
RPM: 6200
Weight Ready to Fly: 20 oz
Comments: excellent combo, no problems at all.

Model: MM miniFlash
Motor: MpJet2535 Mark I
ESC: CC Phoenix 25
Cell type/count: 9 cell KAN1050s
Prop: APC 12x6E
Reduction/Gear Ratio: 4:1 (came with motor)
Amps: 16.3
Volts : 8.6
Watts : 140
RPM: 5,800
Weight Ready to Fly: 21.75 oz
Comments: excellent combo, no problems at all. Unlimited vertical, Hover power, pull out of hover.... Use throttle wisely .

Model: ACE Simple P-51
Motor: Mega1615/5
ESC: CC Phoenix 25
Cell type/count: 9 cell KAN1050s
Prop: APC 6x4/6x5.5E/7x4/7x5 all work well
Reduction/Gear Ratio: DD
Prop : APC 6x5.5
Amps: 12.1
Volts : 9.5
Watts : 114
RPM: 13,900
Weight Ready to Fly: 22 oz
Comments: excellent combo, no problems at all. Fast enough....

Model: HOB 52" AcroCub
Motor: AXI2808/20
ESC: CC Phoenix 25
Cell type/count: 9 cell KAN1050s
Prop: APC 9x4.5E
Reduction/Gear Ratio: DD
Amps: 17.4
Volts : 8.9
Watts : 154
RPM: 9,720
Weight Ready to Fly: 27.25 oz
Comments: excellent combo, no problems at all.

Model: Jitterbug bipe
Motor: AXI2808/24
ESC: CC Phoenix 45 (cause I have it. Should be a 25)
Cell type/count: 3S1P LiPo 2200/2600/3100 Irates
Prop: APC 11x5.5E
Reduction/Gear Ratio: DD
...
Weight Ready to Fly: 24oz
Comments: excellent combo, no problems at all. 10 minute flights.

Model: SA G480 Groove #1 and SA G480 Groove #2 (why change )
Motor: AXI2808/24
ESC: CC Phoenix 25
Cell type/count: 3S1P LiPo 2200/2600 Irates or 9/10 cell CBP1050s
Prop: APC 11x7E/11x8E LiPo or 10x7E with the Nimh cells
Reduction/Gear Ratio: DD
10x7E numbers with LiPo
Amps: 22
Volts : 10
Watts : 220
RPM: xxxx
11x8E numbers with LiPo 2600 3S1P
Amps: 27
Volts : 10
Watts : 270
RPM: 7140
Weight Ready to Fly: 24 (Lipo) 27 oz (Nimh)
Comments: excellent combo, no problems at all. 10 minute flights.

Model: SA CAP232 40E
Motor: AXI 2826/10
ESC: CC Phoenix 45
Cell type/count: 3S2P LiPo 4400 and 5200 packs
Prop: APC 13x8E
Reduction/Gear Ratio: DD
Amps : 39.5
Volts : 10.5
Watts : 415
RPM: 7400
Weight Ready to Fly: 46 oz
Comments: excellent combo, no problems at all.

Model: Littlebirdz Predator B
Motor : miniAC/16
ESC : CC P-25
Cell type : Lipo 1320 3S1P
Prop : 10x7SF
Reduction/Gear Ratio : 4:1
Amps :
Volts :
Watts :
RPM :
Weight Ready to Fly : 30oz
Comments: Excellent combo, no problems at all. Using Spectrum DX-6. No glitchs!
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Old Feb 29, 2004, 05:26 PM
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Wattage Ultimate...on a Diet! [ 2 ]

Model/subject: Wattage Ultimate
Motor:'stock' - Cobalt 400
modification: Razor 2500A (4.4:1 gearbox)
Speed Control: Castle Creations 25 amp brushless
Cell type/count: 'stock' - 7,8 NiCd
Modification: 3s1p Tanic 1500
Prop/fan: 'stock': I forget
New system: 10x5 APC
Reduction method and ratio: 'stock': direct drive
Amps: will measure at the field today
Watts: " " " " " "
Weight Read to Fly:'stock': 33-34 ounces
With brushless & Lipo's: 22.75 ounces (!)

With 10 ounces weight savings, it makes a Floater.

Model accelerates quickly; holding in one's hand it seems to have about 1:1 power-to-weight ratio.



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