Another much ado about nothing thread. Nobody's lobotomizing full-term babies for fun.

Moving on...

Not yet, anyway. Best to expose the roaches right away.

Originally Posted by Real Ira

Don't suppose anyone ever considered waiting until babies are old enough to ask if they want to die if they are not wanted?

Although kids who are not wanted tend to end up in crime. They live a risky life, and be dead by 25. They certainly don't value their life as much as a well cared for baby.

Originally Posted by Real Ira

Unwanted babies, sick old people, retarded people.
Seems this has been done before.....

Abortion was illegal during the Nazi's rule.

This thread is 'simplistic' - akin to saying are you for stopping beating your wife or not - crass even!

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Originally Posted by MtnGoat

Here we see the effects of the moveable feast idea for morality combined with the very real slippery slope.

The authors apply the same pragmatic and utilitarian views used to justify abortion, and conclude that infanticide should be permitted under the same terms.

The wages of moral relativism are, in this case, advocacy of the deaths of living infants.

What difference do a few inches of tissue make... Inside or outside, you should be able to kill it?

I found the "ABSTRACT" to be frightening. But it does fit nicely with the Elite's view of reducing the world's population.

Originally Posted by Buran

I’ve seen videos of abortions; you know, the ones where they scramble the Braine with some sort of tool? It’s horrifying. Myself, it’s not my business. There are a ridiculous number of un-wanted kids in this country. When the foster homes, etc. are empty, then we can talk.

When adoptions are not subject to revocation at a judge's whim and we get kids out of foster care by removing them from horrible parents, your point will go away.

Originally Posted by MtnGoat

Can you prove your contention by providing for us a single case covered by your statement, in which it was legal to *intentionally* target and kill a specific innocent person with killing them being the full intent and desired end result?

Or will we be treated to more moral evasions and psuedo equivalencies like other other pro abortion arguments?

Moral evasions? Killing is killing, is it not? For example how do you feel about the killing of tens of thousands of innocent people say in a fire bombing, no doubt many of the dead were pregnant woman? Is that ok with you , but you object to an abortion?

Originally Posted by Libelle201B

Moral evasions? Killing is killing, is it not? For example how do you feel about the killing of tens of thousands of innocent people say in a fire bombing, no doubt many of the dead were pregnant woman? Is that ok with you , but you object to an abortion?

No, is was not OK with me, and yes, I object to abortion.

You claim that the pregnant women in the fire bombings were actually the *intentional* individual persons killed 'legally' here, as abortion does?

Originally Posted by thunder1

Abortion was illegal during the Nazi's rule.

Proactive abortion yes.

Retroactive abortion, no.

Originally Posted by N6145k

If true, it was no doubt because militaristic regimes often have policies to increase population for a larger supply of soldiers and producers.

It was true, but not only for that reason. The whole master race thing played a pretty big part in the decision. Non-aryans were encouraged not to reproduce. And of course, those aryans who came out defective were sterilized, or otherwise prevented from procreating in order to purify the master race.

Originally Posted by benmlee

Although kids who are not wanted tend to end up in crime. They live a risky life, and be dead by 25. They certainly don't value their life as much as a well cared for baby.

This is the problem with applying statistics to such critical decisions as who live or dies.
MILLIONS of INDIVIDUALS with the background you describe grow up to be happy, well adjusted people who contribute a lot to society.

On the flip side, many who are wanted and have every advantage in live grow up to be real turds.

I stand by my point. Wait until people are old enough to answer for themselves. Then ask if they care to be aborted.

Originally Posted by 62pilot

Farmer Joe went running into town and hollard at Ole Doc. Brown. " Come quick, Ethel is havin the baby. "

Doc Brown replied " I can't right now Junior, little billie bob needs his appendix out or he'll die."

Farmer Joe says " what on earth am I to do ?"


Doc says " well, you birthed dog, cats sheep and such, It aint no different, just let nature take it's course."

A week latter Ole-Doc was going into the merchantile when he ran into Junior. " So how 'd the delivery go "

Joe Junior said " It was just like you told me Doc. I let nature take it's course. We be the proud parents of a bouncinn baby boy, Junior Junior. Only had one problem thou. "

" Whats that?" asked Doc.

Then joe says " I had a hell of a time gettin momma to eat the afterbirth."

Never heard that one before

Almost as bad as the rancher who never saw a woman until he was ready for a wife. Went to town and found a woman. But he arrived back at the ranch alone and his Daddy asked where the wife was. He said she feel off her horse and broke her leg and I had to shoot her.