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Old Sep 24, 2012, 10:22 AM
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The aluminum-hull catamaran was being used for rescue exercises... so, SUCCESS! ?

Open hatch blamed for rescue boat sinking.

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Old Sep 24, 2012, 03:20 PM
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The writer of that article is misinformed; those jet pumps have inspection hatches that allow you to open them while in the water to clear obstructions and check for impeller damage, they're not for "dry-dock only" use as he claims.

Of course, the Sgt. and the civilian instructor still screwed up and showed a lack of knowledge because you need to confirm that the hatch is above the waterline before opening it. The easiest way to do this is by looking over the transom and confirming that the top of the pump is above the waterline. Some of the newer jets have a sight-glass that makes confirming the water level very easy also.
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Old Sep 24, 2012, 03:26 PM
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I guess these have had quite the history of issues.
Too bad that once the Port Authority got them running, they sunk it...

http://www.mooseboats.com/gallery_harbor_security.html
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Old Sep 24, 2012, 04:35 PM
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A toast to the Port Authority: "Bottoms up!"

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Old Sep 25, 2012, 01:06 PM
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I don't think any of the reports will incude the opening of a second hatch to let the water out..
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Old Sep 25, 2012, 01:09 PM
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Old Sep 25, 2012, 02:26 PM
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I guess these have had quite the history of issues.
Too bad that once the Port Authority got them running, they sunk it...

http://www.mooseboats.com/gallery_harbor_security.html
I think the round abouts of it all is that they got the grants to purchase and out fit them, but then they couldn't afford the crews to operate them.

once they got the crews to operate them, they couldn't afford to operate them.


Then, to add insult to injury, also mentioned in article. the much ballyhooed impenetrable perimeter fence around JFK was penetrated by a guy who's Jet ski broke down who proceeded to just walk into the Airport grounds until he found a baggage handler to help him.
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Old Sep 25, 2012, 02:42 PM
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The piece didn't mention if there is more than one hatch. If so, then the poor guy just opened the wrong one. I can see where even an above the waterline hatch would be catastrophic if it is on the pressure side of the pump and opened during operation.
Maybe this incident will replace the old joke...
"So the bartender asks his patron what to call this new drink. Patron responds, well it goes down easy, how about Liberian Tanker?"

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Old Sep 25, 2012, 07:34 PM
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The piece didn't mention if there is more than one hatch. If so, then the poor guy just opened the wrong one. I can see where even an above the waterline hatch would be catastrophic if it is on the pressure side of the pump and opened during operation.
There's one inspection hatch on the top of the pump housing inside the hull. The proper procedure is to disengage the pump, kill the engine and then confirm the water level before cracking the hatch open.

I think they had trouble with step #3...

Some pumps have a second smaller hatch to check the anodes, but the same procedure applies.
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Old Sep 25, 2012, 08:28 PM
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"Anodes? We don't need no stinkin' anodes ..."

Oh wait, that was the other thread

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Old Sep 26, 2012, 12:24 PM
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"Anodes? We don't need no stinkin' anodes ..."

Oh wait, that was the other thread

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Nope Andy. In Illinois corrosion or open inspection hatches aren't the problem. You need deflector shields to deal with the flying carp.
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Old Sep 26, 2012, 12:33 PM
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Did you ever see the episode of the gator hunters where the guy ran out of bait, so he went out into the main channel and started running in a circle and then all these carp started jumping? When one landed in his boat the cut it up for bait for alligators!

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Old Sep 26, 2012, 01:57 PM
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A nice little "hold my beer and watch this!" trick for the cameras I'm sure

why is it that none of these evasive species are good eat'n?

wait, I take that back, snake head fish ARE actually good eating... that's why they were originaly released into the wild. by various Asian immigrants with no reguards to ecology.

I think the Asian carp was released for the same reason. But not a very tasty fish unless you are into that sort of thing.


oh well.. .at least the gorillas will freeze to death when winter comes I guess

Troy, thanks for the insight in the why's and how's the incident probably occurred. the discussion on Fark.com never bothered to address anything you pointed out.


yes, I called it an Incident.. not an accident, and accident is an unavoidable occurrence. this incident could have easily been avoided.

to wit, the vast majority of traffic accidents are actually incidents. but the people that caused them are quick to call them accidents because A) they don't have a firm grasp on the english language and it is the word they know and; B) they don't want to admit to blame when they mess up.
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Old Sep 26, 2012, 04:11 PM
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A nice little "hold my beer and watch this!" trick for the cameras I'm sure

why is it that none of these evasive species are good eat'n?
Brown trout are not native to the Americas ...

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Old Sep 26, 2012, 04:43 PM
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this is also true andy.
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