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Old Jan 13, 2016, 01:50 AM
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Peter Rake 54" Nieuport 17 Prototype

The next project being undertaken is the build of a Nieuport 17 from a Manzano Laser kit of parts. Pete was nice enough to send me the plans, and the parts drawings were sent to Charlie, who promptly cut them. I am waiting for them to arrive in the next day or two.
I have always liked the Nieuports, this 17 looks like it will be a nice model, big enough for some "real scale" details.
Anyway, awaiting the parts and then getting started.
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Is it the same drawing as this 40 " , or some changes ? http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1669275
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Is it the same?

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Is it the same drawing as this 40 " , or some changes ? http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1669275
It is probably similar in design, as all of the Peter Rake plans are in different sizes, but this is 54" span as against 40" So there are most likely a few upgrades.
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Old Jan 14, 2016, 10:55 AM
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It is a scaled and modified version of the 1/8 scale model.

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Old Jan 15, 2016, 12:21 AM
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First balsa dust

Seeing as I am awaiting a message that my parts are in the depot for pickup, I thought I should start on some of the fiddly bits, like laminating some tail plane pieces.
I printed out the fin/rudder onto a sheet and EasyTacked it to some 1/4" foam board and cut out the shape required.
The same was done for the elevators. I am only laminating the elevator bows, as the sharp corners on the stab appeared to break my strips on first try, so I have opted to cut and splice those 2 corners.
I selected the softest 1/16" sheet I could find and stripped off about 12 pieces X 3/16" wide.
The rudder needs 4 strips X 19" long, you could get away with 18" strips if you are careful!
The elevators need 6 strips X 15" long each.
I have always used a hot water soaking to soften up the strips. The aliphatic glue is then laid in between the strips and they are bent/pulled around the formers and clamped with blocks wrapped in tape.
Just need to wait till morning and they will be ready to assemble.
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Seeing as I am awaiting a message that my parts are in the depot for pickup, I thought I should start on some of the fiddly bits, like laminating some tail plane pieces.
I printed out the fin/rudder onto a sheet and EasyTacked it to some 1/4" foam board and cut out the shape required.
The same was done for the elevators. I am only laminating the elevator bows, as the sharp corners on the stab appeared to break my strips on first try, so I have opted to cut and splice those 2 corners.
I selected the softest 1/16" sheet I could find and stripped off about 12 pieces X 3/16" wide.
The rudder needs 4 strips X 19" long, you could get away with 18" strips if you are careful!
The elevators need 6 strips X 15" long each.
I have always used a hot water soaking to soften up the strips. The aliphatic glue is then laid in between the strips and they are bent/pulled around the formers and clamped with blocks wrapped in tape.
Just need to wait till morning and they will be ready to assemble.
So, by parts, are you using laser parts on this one?

Looking forward to seeing how this one turns out. I've never had a Nieuport, though love the looks of them. I almost threw down on one of the small laser cut Guillow's N17's tonight...
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Parts

Yes, I decided that I might as well try a laser cut semikit from Manzano Laser.
Pete sent the parts drawing to Charlie and he has cut and shipped the parts.
I have not ever assembled a laser cut model airplane, so this is a first for me.
I just cut and assembled the fixed horizontal stab, but it needs 2 cut parts added.
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Old Jan 15, 2016, 10:46 AM
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First look

The horizontal stab is dry and sanded.
The laminated parts have been pulled and trimmed. I will let them dry today while I do other things, like go to the US and pickup my laser cut bits.
Should be an exciting weekend, although the weather is not cooperating with me and allowing some test/ maiden flights to be undertaken.
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Parts are here

The laser pkg arrived. Thanks Charlie for the prompt service.
I am having trouble finding the bass for the spars. Going to try a couple more possible locals later today.
Pete, is this a good candidate for Silkspan? Found a good supply today, and they even had dope. I noticed that they had 2 grades, one was GM the other was SGM I think. Looks like the GM is the lighter of the 2.
Anyway your thoughts are appreciated. I am sure there are lots of tutorials around on using it.
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Define Silkspan. The only Silkspan I've ever used was the tissue supplied in Guillow rubber power kits. This model is definitely too big for that.

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Thanks Pete, that's what I thought too.
Another question for you Pete, the trailing edges are all from 3/16 bass, is this correct? The plan doesn't specify material but the parts drawing does.
I will most likely pre sand them to a taper before assembly if they are correct
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