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Old Dec 08, 2013, 12:47 PM
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New F3P-Sequence for Rookies

As the old national F3P-C sequence is about 10 years old, I thought it was time to create something new to adjust the difficulty level to the current F3P-models and to make it easier for the pilots to move to the next level.

The sequence has been tested live yesterday during the Rhein-Neckar-Pokal in Mannheim/Germany and the pilots liked it.

It is a turnaround sequence, but only the stall turn will be judged. The half circles to connect the maneuvers are for positioning only.

1. Start - Standard S-Pattern ("Digital Score" 0 or 10)
2. Loop
3. Roll
4. Stall Turn
5. Square Loop
6. Inverted flight with 1/2 rolls at entry and exit
7. Horizontal Figure Eight
8. Knife Edge with 1/4 rolls at entry and Exit
9. Landing ("Digital Score" 0 or 10)

Your comments / feedback are appreciated.

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Old Dec 08, 2013, 09:14 PM
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being a rookie in F3P (even at 60, I am a rookie. LOL) I LIKE IT!!!!
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Hello Jürgen,

I've flown the existing F3P-C schedule for the last 2 years in Belgium.

This new schedule looks challenging and being a turnaround schedule it is getting closer to the B and A schedules. I like it.

2 remarks/suggestions:
In the existing schedule 'vertical' and 'horizontal' figures alternate (stall turn, roll, half cuban eight, inverted circle, loop). In the new schedule the first part are maily vertical figures (except for the roll), and the second part are horizontal figures only. By having a 'vertical' figure in the last part of the sequence pilots will have to pay more attention to throttle management (and that is a good lesson for the B and A schedules).

Have you been thinking about a ' simple hover' in the rookie sequence? Something like: Pull 90° - straight vertical line - hover 3 seconds (no torque) - straight vertical line - Push 90°.

I'll give this one a go during the next trainingsessions anyway.
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By having a 'vertical' figure in the last part of the sequence pilots will have to pay more attention to throttle management (and that is a good lesson for the B and A schedules).

Have you been thinking about a ' simple hover' in the rookie sequence? Something like: Pull 90° - straight vertical line - hover 3 seconds (no torque) - straight vertical line - Push 90°.
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Hi Hans,

The horizontal figure eight is quite difficult to fly perfect and requires some throttle management as well.

I did not want to challenge F3P-Rookies with a "hovering manoeuvre".

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I did not want to challenge F3P-Rookies with a "hovering manoeuvre".
Maybe with the next update
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Old Nov 26, 2014, 09:54 AM
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Hello Jürgen,

We are flying the proposed Rookie sequence in Belgium and the Netherlands. But there seems to be some discussion about the stall turn.
Is the stall turn a turnaround figure or is it to be considered as a figure flown at the center line?

Accordingly to the Aresti it is a turnaround figure (flown directly after the roll and the square loop is flown directly after the stall turn). But this video shows that the stall turn is not flown directly after the roll. In the video the stall turn is a figure at the centerline (in fact it is flown a little bit after the center line)
F3P C New (2 min 19 sec)
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Hello Hans,

the stall turn was intended to be the only mandatory turnaround manoeuvre in the F3P-Rookie sequence.

Jürgen
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F3P rookie

here is a really good video of Jamie Hicks flying the Rookie sequence for demo. We verbally called the maneuvers on the video so you can watch and hear what each maneuver is as it's being flown.

F3P Rookie 2014 (1 min 49 sec)
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here is a really good video of Jamie Hicks flying the Rookie sequence for demo.
Thanks for sharing!

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Made it out to one of the local gyms this morning, first time in a couple years. Thanks Jurgen for presenting the current rookie sequence. For me this forum is the only resource for this type of flying. And thanks Dennis for showing Jamie's demo pattern, it's the one I tried to copy. Plenty of room for improvement, I'll use this vid as a baseline reference. Your critique is welcome!

Bill

Rookie sequence flown by a rookie using an old BRC Arrow.

F3P Whitney Dec. 2014 (2 min 58 sec)
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Old Dec 26, 2014, 10:58 AM
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In several countries in Europe, there is a take-off and landing pattern in the Rookie sequence which is also judged.

Take-off: climb parallel to long wall, 90° bend, climb parallel to short wall, 90° bend, level flight parallel to long wall (at the back)
Landing: level flight parallel to long wall (at the back), 90° bend, level flight parallel to short wall, 90° bend, descend parallel to long wall

See this video of the F3P Rookie sequence flown in Belgium and the Netherlands in 2012/2013 and 2013/2014

F3P-C instruction video (2 min 16 sec)
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Wanting to try F3P

I am trying to understand F3P. I normally fly F3A. Is it the same in that they both decide on a sequence for the upcoming seasons and that is what everyone flies? or is it somehow different? I am hoping to fly sportsman sequence at NEF this year. I am sorry if this is off base for this forum, but I am finding it difficult to find solid info on F3P. Please help.
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Yes, F3A and F3P are very similar in how the sequences are decided and put together. The FAI sequences are renewed every two years and the intermediate ( = Advanced in the Nordic countries) usually follows suite. The Rookie (or sports) beginner sequences don't necessarily change that often.

The FAI sequence is global but the other levels have regional differences.
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Sportsman sequence

Forgive my ignorance, but could you or someone direct to an official site where I might find the different sequences? I am hoping to fly at NEF this year. Thanks
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You may find the info here: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2071263

This forum is one of the best sources for F3P related info.
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