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Old Dec 06, 2010, 06:45 PM
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Best cheap, durable, good flying indoor trainer?

My son wants a indoor, beginner heli for Xmas and is starting to fly my MCX. Is there a cheaper heli that is just as durable and stable as the MCX???

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Old Dec 06, 2010, 06:56 PM
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Solo Pro. How old is your son?
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Old Dec 06, 2010, 06:57 PM
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My son wants a indoor, beginner heli for Xmas and is starting to fly my MCX. Is there a cheaper heli that is just as durable and stable as the MCX???

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If you want another 4 channel coax then look at the Nine Eagles Bravo III. If you are looking for a less expensive 3 channel then it is hard to beat the SYMA S107. They can be had for less than $30 and less than $20 if you catch it at the right time. They are very durable and all the parts are available if something does break. I've crashed both of mine many times and no real damage. I think that the throttle return spring is good to lessen damage if he is very young, as he doesn't have to remember to cut the throttle in a crash.
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My son wants a indoor, beginner heli for Xmas and is starting to fly my MCX. Is there a cheaper heli that is just as durable and stable as the MCX???

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Yeah, the Nine Eagles Solo or Free Spirit or the Evo Flight "EF" Mini Stinger and the Revell Proto CX which both are just rebranded NE Solos but are exactly the same. are both sub-micro coaxials like the MCX but much more reasonably priced:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Nine-Eagle-210A-...item4150479f41

bay.com/SOLO-Nine-Eagles-4CH-RC-Mini-210A-RTF-Helicopter-2-4G-/280586511044?pt=Radio_Control_Vehicles&hash=item41 544262c4

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...&condition=new

http://www.hobbypeople.net/index.php...opter-rtf.html


Here are the relevant threads:

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...=1040741&pp=50

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...ne+eagles+solo

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...ne+eagles+solo

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...ne+eagles+solo
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If you want another 4 channel coax then look at the Nine Eagles Bravo III. If you are looking for a less expensive 3 channel then it is hard to beat the SYMA S107. They can be had for less than $30 and less than $20 if you catch it at the right time. They are very durable and all the parts are available if something does break. I've crashed both of mine many times and no real damage. I think that the throttle return spring is good to lessen damage if he is very young, as he doesn't have to remember to cut the throttle in a crash.
He did say trainer right?

With the mode 4 controls on the 3 channel I can't see it being useful for the purpose of training him to move up to whatever helicopter. If anything it will put him behind having to relearn the side the rudder is on.
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Old Dec 06, 2010, 07:17 PM
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He did say trainer right?

With the mode 4 controls on the 3 channel I can't see it being useful for the purpose of training him to move up to whatever helicopter. If anything it will put him behind having to relearn the side the rudder is on.
I don't think that it puts one behind. It still teaches direction control from any position, which is the most difficult thing that I have to had to contend with. I frequently switch between my S107 and mCX2 and have no problem with which is rudder and which is aileron. Direction visualization is much more difficult in my opinion. It would be good to know the age of his son so that it is easier to make a recommendation.
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He is 6 1/2 but is starting to have success with my mcx.
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He is 6 1/2 but is starting to have success with my mcx.
Would you not be better getting him the BNF MCX, I think that would be as cheap as buying a complete "cheaper" version and you could cut down on spares for the two of you
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I don't think that it puts one behind. It still teaches direction control from any position, which is the most difficult thing that I have to had to contend with. I frequently switch between my S107 and mCX2 and have no problem with which is rudder and which is aileron. Direction visualization is much more difficult in my opinion. It would be good to know the age of his son so that it is easier to make a recommendation.
You can nose in hover with a coaxial hands free so orientation training on a coaxial be it 3 or 4 channel makes no difference when comparing to FP or CP models.

I can fly a coaxial in ways that most people can't imagine one can go, but I still had to spend a full week of non stop practice on a simulator before I could nose in my CP. The coaxial in any form really doesn't translate so much when you're constantly having to input aileron and elevator just to keep the fp and cp balanced.

Considering that his kid is only six and a half I think a Nine Eagles Solo or Bravo III would probably be a better solution for him.
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Old Dec 06, 2010, 08:37 PM
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My son wants a indoor, beginner heli for Xmas and is starting to fly my MCX. Is there a cheaper heli that is just as durable and stable as the MCX???

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Hi there, I'm in the same boat as you. I just got into the hobby period and my intro heli which I'm still flying <2 weeks> is the art tech miniwolf. I picked it up for 69 on bananahobby.com. Anyways, the heli is super durable, I;ve crashed it numerous times and it just keeps flying. Its very stable and it was easy to learn it. My son who is 7 years old is drooling all over it. I've done some reading these past couple weeks and I decided on the syma s107... on xheli.com they are 29 bucks. From what I've read it seems like a nice bird and its super cheap and parts seem to be available everywhere. Now, I'm not nowhere near an expert so I can only comment on the only heli I've flown so I can recommend clones etc like others here. I hope I was able to add something positive to what the others have said.


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Old Dec 06, 2010, 08:55 PM
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You can nose in hover with a coaxial hands free so orientation training on a coaxial be it 3 or 4 channel makes no difference when comparing to FP or CP models.
True, but a 6 year old is less likely to destroy a S107 than a Bravo III. The S107 has less fragile parts and less of a money loss if it is crashed hard. If he forgets to shut it down in a crash, it is going to cost a lot less to replace the PCB on a 3 channel when it fries from a stalled motor. I would definitely be thinking S107 if I were buying a first heli for a 6 year old. Actually, I think it was a good decision for this 65 year old to start with a S107.
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True, but a 6 year old is less likely to destroy a S107 than a Bravo III. The S107 has less fragile parts and less of a money loss if it is crashed hard. If he forgets to shut it down in a crash, it is going to cost a lot less to replace the PCB on a 3 channel when it fries from a stalled motor. I would definitely be thinking S107 if I were buying a first heli for a 6 year old. Actually, I think it was a good decision for this 65 year old to start with a S107.
Why does nobody do the fuse mod that they recommend for the HBFP to protect the 4in1 in a crash from being fried on the smaller coaxials?

ESky Honey Bee FP HBFP V2 - Fuse Mod - Easily Protect Your 4in1 (9 min 57 sec)



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Old Dec 06, 2010, 09:49 PM
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Why does nobody do the fuse mod that they recommend for the HBFP to protect the 4in1 in a crash from being fried on the smaller coaxials?


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The weight of the Honey Bee is 304g. The weight of a mCX2 or mSR is only 28g. The mCX2 would need 2 fuses and the weight addition would probably be significant. Even 1 fuse in the mSR might be a significant weight increase.

There are micro blade fuses, so that might work, but I would have to weigh all the components to see if the weight is significant enough to cause a problem. I would, but I don't have the parts. In addition to the weight, there is very little room inside the fuselage of my mCX2.
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