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Old Jul 24, 2014, 10:43 PM
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Any Warbirds fit for use as a trainer?

I started this hobby with collective pitch heli's and recently moved to planes with a PZ ArtiZan and took to it very quickly. He owever, I have a friend who is interesd in learning but wants to train on a warbird, (against my advice to start with a high wing trainer). I have recommended an Apprentice, but that's not turning his crank despite me letting him know a high wing trainer is a far wiser move . Having said that, is there any warbirds that are "gentle" enough for use as a trainer?

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Old Jul 24, 2014, 10:44 PM
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Old Jul 24, 2014, 10:48 PM
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Lol! Nice.
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Old Jul 24, 2014, 10:56 PM
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Yeah have him get a L19 Bird dog



T28 Trojan or T34 Mentor are possibilities but would let him try to fly on his own.
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Old Jul 24, 2014, 11:03 PM
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How about the new Hobbyzone Corsair coming out soon? http://www.hobbyzonerc.com/Products/...ProdID=HBZ8200
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Old Jul 24, 2014, 11:06 PM
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Yeah have him get a L19 Bird dog



T28 Trojan or T34 Mentor are possibilities but would let him try to fly on his own.
I was thinking T-28, but even that might be a tough sell seeing as it's not an iconic warbird that was actively involved in war efforts.
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Old Jul 24, 2014, 11:11 PM
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L19 bird dog is an iconic warbird actively involved in war efforts. They even carried missiles.

Hard to find but Fiesler Storch is an iconic warbird actively involved in war efforts; and it should make an excellent trainer!
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Old Jul 24, 2014, 11:36 PM
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How about the new Hobbyzone Corsair coming out soon? http://www.hobbyzonerc.com/Products/...ProdID=HBZ8200
^ what he said.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2197924

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Old Jul 25, 2014, 12:00 AM
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Read this and then get yourself a green Cub. http://www.americanheritage.com/cont...over?page=show One of the most potent weapons of WWII.
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Old Jul 25, 2014, 03:21 AM
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How about the new Hobbyzone Corsair coming out soon? http://www.hobbyzonerc.com/Products/...ProdID=HBZ8200
A tip-stall prone taildragger as a trainer? Even with all the SAFE features he will almost certainly have nose-overs, ground loops and tip stalls.
My neighbor was the same way, but I coaxed him to avoid the warbird as the first plane. I built a simple foam delta with him. He crashed it many times till he got experience. Now he's building and flying various designs with just occasional advice from me.
A simple delta is so easy and inexpensive to build. Put on small angled winglets for roll stability (and maybe even drooping leading edge cuffs for the outboard third of each wing to prevent tip stall) - you'll have a well behaved, docile, stall resistant plane and any crashes will be fairly easy to repair.
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Old Jul 25, 2014, 07:27 AM
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I think there was someone at out field who trained on one the Hanger 9 Mustang Progressive Trainer a few years back: http://www.hangar-9.com/PTS/. I think it ended up working out OK.

When I was learning to fly at the club field on a trainer, I was also playing around in my backyard with a micro P-51. Crashed that so many times that it ended having more foam safe CA and scotch tape than original foam before I retired it. But, it I had a lot of fun for a relatively low investment.
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Old Jul 25, 2014, 07:37 AM
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A tip-stall prone taildragger as a trainer? Even with all the SAFE features he will almost certainly have nose-overs, ground loops and tip stalls...
Clearly you have never flown this model. It never has, nor ever will be "tip stall prone".

It kills me how people just make stuff up and provide misinformation as if they are an "authority".

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Old Jul 25, 2014, 08:18 AM
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Clearly you have never flown this model. It never has, nor ever will be "tip stall prone".

It kills me how people just make stuff up and provide misinformation as if they are an "authority".

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Wow, it kills me how people are eager to flame someone who's trying to help a beginner from making a $300 mistake.
Even if I'm totally wrong about the tip-stalling (which is unlikely), what about the nose-overs and ground looping? Is that what a beginner needs?

Regarding this particular, exact model, the basic truth was expressed eloquently in response to the tip stall question in a different thread (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...2197924&page=3), and I quote:
The safe system will help. In beginner mode it has a flight envelope restriction in place to keep you from over-correcting on the sticks. Safe cant change the laws of aerodynamics, but it will help keep you "in-bounds".
I bolded the relevant parts for emphasis.

That gentleman may also have never flown that particular plane, but it seems he understands something about aerodynamics.
The Corsair (model scale as well) is famous for its tip stall tendencies (as are many warbirds).
Yes SAFE might help, but it certainly does not guarantee that when the beginner pulls that baby up in a sharp stall close to the ground that it won't tip-stall violently and end in a bad crash.
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Old Jul 25, 2014, 08:45 AM
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If he can fly an Artizan, he can fly one of these:

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...h#post23362544

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1658421

They are both warbird trainers by definition, and a lot of fun.

He could also fly one of these, if he can find one. A great bird to fly, and can use the same battery as Artizan:

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...t#post15555106

Of course, the T-28s by Dynam, PZ or FMS are viable also.
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Old Jul 25, 2014, 08:49 AM
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If he can fly an Artizan, he can fly one of these:

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...h#post23362544

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1658421

They are both warbird trainers by definition, and a lot of fun.

He could also fly one of these, if he can find one. A great bird to fly, and can use the same battery as Artizan:

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...t#post15555106

Of course, the T-28s by Dynam, PZ or FMS are viable also.
The OP is the one who flew the Artizan (if I understood him). The prospective beginner is a friend of his that wants to start with a warbird.
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