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Old Feb 21, 2014, 03:04 PM
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Great resource that's been put together here. According to the FAA Fact Sheet released Jan 6, 2014:

Regarding model aircraft use ...

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Recreational use of airspace by model aircraft is covered by FAA Advisory Circular 91-57, which generally limits operations to below 400 feet above ground level and away from airports and air traffic. In 2007, the FAA clarified that AC 91-57 only applies to modelers, and specifically excludes individuals or companies flying model aircraft for business purposes.
However, "away from airports or air traffic" is a bit vague. A bit further down the fact sheet but in regards to a 2012 reauthorization bill governing the use of uav's by a "government public safety agency," ...

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The bill specified these UAS must be flown within the line of sight of the operator, less than 400 feet above the ground, during daylight conditions, inside Class G (uncontrolled) airspace and more than five miles from any airport or other location with aviation activities.
So I've since used that guidance in terms of how far away I need to be from local air fields.
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Old Feb 21, 2014, 03:32 PM
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I don't know if any of you are licensed pilots, but one thing to keep in mind is that the FAA doesn't have the money or resources to be tracking down and prosecuting FPV pilots. I have been a private pilot for over 20yrs and I have never seen a rep from the FAA just show up at an airport. I have heard about it, but it is usually because they are there for something else and then happen to see something in violation of regs.
I love UAV's and FPV but I think anyone flying them should be required to take ground school so you can understand the environment your flying in. I know, I know, why take ground school if nobody from the FAA is ever going to check on it? Well, in aviation, a lot of things work on the honor system. Like logging your flying hours in a log book etc.. So let me put it this way. If you show up at a flying field with your multirotor and FPV goggles and other people there find out your uneducated in what your doing (don't know anything about airspace). You won't be welcome back and you will be looked at as a fool and a risk to everyone else.
All that being said, has anyone ever heard of someone being arrested and prosecuted for FPV? Now when you start charging money for your UAV services it opens up a huge can of worms. Then you are a commercial pilot and will probably need some kind of insurance that probably doesn't exist yet.
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Old Feb 21, 2014, 03:44 PM
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Great resource that's been put together here. According to the FAA Fact Sheet released Jan 6, 2014:

Regarding model aircraft use ...



However, "away from airports or air traffic" is a bit vague. A bit further down the fact sheet but in regards to a 2012 reauthorization bill governing the use of uav's by a "government public safety agency," ...



So I've since used that guidance in terms of how far away I need to be from local air fields.
"away from airports or air traffic" is just a way to put blame on the UAV pilot. So, if a model UAV has a mid air collision with a full scale aircraft in flight or on the ground it's automatically the UAV pilots fault. Then they will come looking for you and drop a few hundred pages of regulations in your lap and start interrogating you...... with the local police present, of course. I know I sound like Debbie Downer here guys, but I see people on youtube doing really stupid things with multirotors.
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Old Feb 21, 2014, 06:24 PM
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"away from airports or air traffic" is just a way to put blame on the UAV pilot. So, if a model UAV has a mid air collision with a full scale aircraft in flight or on the ground it's automatically the UAV pilots fault. Then they will come looking for you and drop a few hundred pages of regulations in your lap and start interrogating you...... with the local police present, of course. I know I sound like Debbie Downer here guys, but I see people on youtube doing really stupid things with multirotors.
... or you contact TBS' lawyers? Their "point me to the law" defense seemed to work pretty darn good.
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Old Feb 21, 2014, 11:23 PM
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That case is pending of course Trappy has not won anything yet
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Old Feb 22, 2014, 02:51 AM
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"away from airports or air traffic" is just a way to put blame on the UAV pilot. So, if a model UAV has a mid air collision with a full scale aircraft in flight or on the ground it's automatically the UAV pilots fault. Then they will come looking for you and drop a few hundred pages of regulations in your lap and start interrogating you...... with the local police present, of course. I know I sound like Debbie Downer here guys, but I see people on youtube doing really stupid things with multirotors.
Under what conditions should a small, hard to see (at 120kts.) unmanned vehicle have the right of way over any aircraft carrying any number of people? Under what conditions would a UAV be flown in controlled airspace? 99% of this is all common sense.
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Old Mar 06, 2014, 02:29 AM
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Nice summary on the FAA webpage about UAVs:

http://www.faa.gov/news/updates/?newsId=76240
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Old Mar 09, 2014, 12:51 AM
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Nice summary on the FAA webpage about UAVs:

http://www.faa.gov/news/updates/?newsId=76240
I think that might be a response to this recent ruling?:

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/com...al-judge-ruled

Scroll down all the way to see the full ruling.

If nothing else maybe this has made the FAA dig in their heels? A lot of the myths seem contrary to the judges ruling
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Old Mar 09, 2014, 10:51 AM
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An appeal has been filed by the FAA
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Old Apr 12, 2014, 06:29 PM
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Seems like some countries are finally beginning to regard "drone" operations in more sensible way. This is an actual statement from the national NSA where I live: (gooogle/translate)

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New trial for photos from the air

Going up and shoot with model airplanes, remote controlled helicopter or drone ? Now you do not have to seek permission from NSM - as long as the drone is in line of sight , and it is not close to an area with photo ban.

Sales of remote-controlled helicopters and drones with cameras has skyrocketed in recent years . Until April 2 had all the permission of the National Security Agency to shoot from the air, with the exception of passengers on scheduled flights . National Security Authority easing now on the requirements for when you have to apply to record from these unmanned platforms.
New trial

The National Security Agency has decided that a trial from April 2 and the year is no longer required to seek permission for photography and filming from the air while the drone is in line of sight and flying outside restricted areas . A restricted area is military sites with photo ban. Civilian areas may be marked with the ban on photography.

- Most drones are flown by ordinary people, and this activity poses no risk to the national security authority will help to protect. This new solution will help ensure that regulations are unnecessary hurdle for most people, while maintaining the need for national security , said department director Carsten Rapp in the National Security Agency .
Continued prohibition

It will still be illegal to photograph and film the restricted areas from the air. Violations can result in criminal liability . With doubt the admission avoided, and the public can contact any National Security Authority for guidance.

It must also continue to apply for permission for other types of shooting with airborne sensor systems , eg . mapping with aircraft and other sensors than photo. You can find more information here .
Other Considerations.
Will be interesting to see if this is an early introduction of a EU regulation to come - or something someone here came up with on their own.
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Old Apr 12, 2014, 07:59 PM
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Seems like some countries are finally beginning to regard "drone" operations in more sensible way. This is an actual statement from the national NSA where I live: (gooogle/translate)
Will be interesting to see if this is an early introduction of a EU regulation to come - or something someone here came up with on their own.
Do you have a source for that? (A link, even if it's not in English.) Thanks.
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Old Apr 13, 2014, 10:04 AM
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Link to the source of the googletranslated text: https://www.nsm.stat.no/Aktuelt/Nytt...to-fra-luften/

An overall description of the legislation can be found here: http://www.luftfartstilsynet.no/rege...ticle10861.ece

The interesting part is that the CAA do no longer want to restrict recreational use of UAVs/FPVs. In order to carry a camera, one did however have to apply to the NSM/("NSA") for a license for aerial photographying. This part is now being suspended for a test period until the end of the year.
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Old Jul 14, 2014, 08:40 AM
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It's interesting how the FAA views flying model aircraft similar to the way the government views sex. You can engage in the practice for recreation, but as soon as money changes hands, it's illegal!! This is the same kind of stupidity that generated the cell phone laws: I can talk on my cell phone if it is lying on my console or even pressed between my ear and my shoulder, but as soon as I touch it with my hand, it becomes illegal. Freakin' geniuses making these laws and regulations.

So, there's a lot of bitching going on here. Can I assume that everyone who is pissed off has commented on the FAA's interpretation?
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Old Jul 14, 2014, 09:20 AM
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Signing a petition or commenting on the "erase it after they comment" section of a government website only serves to show the FAA that the the public acquiesces to their pretend authority beyond the NAS. The agency is irrelevant when it comes to challenging private property ownership of airspace and the precedents set by the Supreme Court and lower State courts.
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Old Jul 14, 2014, 09:46 AM
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Then those arguments should be used in your comments. If you think that the comment section will only be erased, I won't disagree with you. However, if everyone adopts your attitude and no one responds, you better bet that the FAA will point to that lack of response and claim that "silence is concurence".
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