HobbyKing.com New Products Flash Sale
Reply
Thread Tools
Old Today, 08:05 AM
BEOWULF
North vancouver, B.C. Canada
Joined Apr 2008
18,827 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dogdude View Post
It's very easy to see why the logic escapes you
You perceive Trappy to be a victim when in fact he is/was the culprit/perpetraotor
The UK were by no means less restrictive, it's just that by our very nature we don't tolerate or "big up" inconsiderate fools, it may be true now after the case that the FAA have now fought back which has cost the community there dearly

Like I said before, if you want to blame someone, blame the fat kid who kept poking the sleeping dog with a stick, victim ha that's a laugh
Yes i think you helped explain it well
Now i understand others logic, by means they perceive to be victims


But trappy is not fat but rather looks in ok health
He did loose all his hair in the last few years however
Maybe it was stress related or just been hanging around sander too long
Or both
David22 is offline Find More Posts by David22
Reply With Quote
Sign up now
to remove ads between posts
Old Today, 08:21 AM
BEOWULF
North vancouver, B.C. Canada
Joined Apr 2008
18,827 Posts
Ok i got hypothetical micro drone hazard that logically explains


Baby squirrel that weighs 22 grams runs out infront of my car
Edit i change it to baby puppy that owner let loose by accident

I get distracted and slam on my breaks to save its life

But guy behind me rear ends me causeing bad damage


You see logic even micro droness can cause damage

To be really clear

I drive down road and micro drone fly in front of my car
Micro drone flyaway edit or micro drone flown blos
I get distracted and slam on my breaks
Guy rear ends me causeing serious damage

Who is the cause of this damage


Who are the victims
David22 is offline Find More Posts by David22
Last edited by David22; Today at 08:34 AM.
Reply With Quote
Old Today, 08:58 AM
Registered User
Near Austin
Joined Dec 2001
5,416 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dogdude View Post
......... causing a backlash for every RC pilot in the USA
You guys are giving WAAAaaay to much responsibility to Trappy for the backlash. This is the government, glacial in speed, the effect on "every RC pilot" was started a long time ago. This event (and court case) did nothing to speed it up, or slow it down.
CenTexFlyer is offline Find More Posts by CenTexFlyer
Reply With Quote
Old Today, 08:59 AM
Launch the drones ...
Ashtabula, OH USA
Joined May 1999
3,122 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by David22 View Post
Ok i got hypothetical micro drone hazard that logically explains


Baby squirrel that weighs 22 grams runs out infront of my car
Edit i change it to baby puppy that owner let loose by accident

I get distracted and slam on my breaks to save its life

But guy behind me rear ends me causeing bad damage


You see logic even micro droness can cause damage

To be really clear

I drive down road and micro drone fly in front of my car
Micro drone flyaway edit or micro drone flown blos
I get distracted and slam on my breaks
Guy rear ends me causeing serious damage

Who is the cause of this damage


Who are the victims
I call this the "Chicken Little" approach to safety ... Because everything Is potentially lethal. (You know Chicken Little, AKA Henny Penny, in the fairy tale, said the sky was falling, ran around warning everybody)

Not everyone subscribes to it. And as a matter of fact, the UK and Canada have both disavowed this kind of reasoning, as both allow unlicensed small drone activity.

So, why not here, as well? Call your congressman and ask why.
Tim Green is online now Find More Posts by Tim Green
Last edited by Tim Green; Today at 09:15 AM.
Reply With Quote
Old Today, 09:15 AM
Registered User
Near Austin
Joined Dec 2001
5,416 Posts
Double tap
CenTexFlyer is offline Find More Posts by CenTexFlyer
Reply With Quote
Old Today, 09:18 AM
BEOWULF
North vancouver, B.C. Canada
Joined Apr 2008
18,827 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim Green View Post
I call this the "Chicken Little" approach to safety ... Because everything Is potentially lethal. (You know Chicken Little, AKA Henny Penny, in the fairy tale, said the sky was falling, ran around warning everybody)

Not everyone subscribes to it. And as a matter of fact, the UK and Canada have both disavowed this kind of reasoning, as both allow unlicensed small drone activity.

So, why not here, as well? Call your congressman and ask why.

My point is you have to have rules even for micro drones

Canada allows unlicenced very small to very large drone activity
We are alowed to fly from micro micro to around 35 kg drones unlicensed
Its always been that way

But we have rules that encompase all drones

You see you cant fly any size drone near traffic

So sky is not falling however peoples logic is flawed if they think micro drones cant cause harm

It took a long time to convince others that foam planes can cause harm
Hopefully people will understand micro drones can also be a hazard

Car accident was great example of why not to fly drones near traffic
David22 is offline Find More Posts by David22
Reply With Quote
Old Today, 09:36 AM
Launch the drones ...
Ashtabula, OH USA
Joined May 1999
3,122 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by David22 View Post
My point is you have to have rules even for micro drones
No one objects to rules like stay out of airports and traffic. The UK and Canada have much the same.
It is the expensive and onerous licensing and registration demands placed on small drones here in the USA, by our FAA, that we object to.
In this respect, the UK and Canada are much different. All their drones have rules to be followed, but only the larger gear needs to be licensed.
Tim Green is online now Find More Posts by Tim Green
Reply With Quote
Old Today, 09:51 AM
Registered User
Joined Feb 2009
850 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by David22 View Post
My point is you have to have rules even for micro drones

Canada allows unlicenced very small to very large drone activity
We are alowed to fly from micro micro to around 35 kg drones unlicensed
Its always been that way

But we have rules that encompase all drones

You see you cant fly any size drone near traffic

So sky is not falling however peoples logic is flawed if they think micro drones cant cause harm

It took a long time to convince others that foam planes can cause harm
Hopefully people will understand micro drones can also be a hazard

Car accident was great example of why not to fly drones near traffic

David. It is also a great example not to throw a ball from one side of the street to another. We don't need the FAA to tell us flying a drone near the street is a bad idea. Local laws will handle 99% of any situation a 22g micro drone will get into. We don't need more regulation when there are existing laws.
Rusty105 is online now Find More Posts by Rusty105
Reply With Quote
Old Today, 10:39 AM
BEOWULF
North vancouver, B.C. Canada
Joined Apr 2008
18,827 Posts
Good luck excluding micro drones from the rules

My explainations clearly say why
David22 is offline Find More Posts by David22
Reply With Quote
Old Today, 10:50 AM
BEOWULF
North vancouver, B.C. Canada
Joined Apr 2008
18,827 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim Green View Post
No one objects to rules like stay out of airports and traffic. The UK and Canada have much the same.
It is the expensive and onerous licensing and registration demands placed on small drones here in the USA, by our FAA, that we object to.
In this respect, the UK and Canada are much different. All their drones have rules to be followed, but only the larger gear needs to be licensed.
No drones need to be licenced unless they are over 35 kg or so

Aeriel photography or business use is different
David22 is offline Find More Posts by David22
Reply With Quote
Old Today, 11:29 AM
Registered User
Joined Aug 2012
1,541 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by CenTexFlyer View Post
You guys are giving WAAAaaay to much responsibility to Trappy for the backlash. This is the government, glacial in speed, the effect on "every RC pilot" was started a long time ago. This event (and court case) did nothing to speed it up, or slow it down.
That may be true, however, who's videos were unleashed on Youtube "a long time ago" depicting "daredevil" "anarchic" flying to promote the sale of FPV goods ?
Point is he was around peeing off authorities years ago, his court case and fine were simply the start of the noticable effect of that "glacial" movement, that does not mean he wasn't the cause of it

Many people howl on about Trappy not being the only fool to fly hazardously "it's not just him" they all exclaim
Well back then when the glacier got to start moving it was just him, the latest ones are just copy cats

We all know the ragulations and laws are already there, it doesn't help to challenge those common sense rules and force new ones to be created, it has done nobody any good at all
Dogdude is offline Find More Posts by Dogdude
Last edited by Dogdude; Today at 11:35 AM.
Reply With Quote
Old Today, 12:29 PM
Registered User
Joined Nov 2012
1,455 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by David22 View Post
Ok i got hypothetical micro drone hazard that logically explains


Baby squirrel that weighs 22 grams runs out infront of my car
Edit i change it to baby puppy that owner let loose by accident

I get distracted and slam on my breaks to save its life

But guy behind me rear ends me causeing bad damage


You see logic even micro droness can cause damage

To be really clear

I drive down road and micro drone fly in front of my car
Micro drone flyaway edit or micro drone flown blos
I get distracted and slam on my breaks
Guy rear ends me causeing serious damage

Who is the cause of this damage


Who are the victims
Take your proposed case to court above.. The result would NOT be the micro drone operator at fault.

The person at fault is the vehicle behind who was following to closely to the car in front and did not stop. case closed...


Now applying common sense, the micro drones are very small. A reasonable car operator when making the decision, do I dodge this tiny thing or do I just hit it and be done.. If he hit the drone, there would be no damage to anything but the drone..

We make these decision every day, when a squirrel suddenly darts in front of your car from no where, when possible you stop, but sometimes its just too late, or not the proper action to stop..

micro drones pose less risk of damage than a frisbee.
InFocus is offline Find More Posts by InFocus
Reply With Quote
Old Today, 12:56 PM
BEOWULF
North vancouver, B.C. Canada
Joined Apr 2008
18,827 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by InFocus View Post
Take your proposed case to court above.. The result would NOT be the micro drone operator at fault.

The person at fault is the vehicle behind who was following to closely to the car in front and did not stop. case closed...


Now applying common sense, the micro drones are very small. A reasonable car operator when making the decision, do I dodge this tiny thing or do I just hit it and be done.. If he hit the drone, there would be no damage to anything but the drone..

We make these decision every day, when a squirrel suddenly darts in front of your car from no where, when possible you stop, but sometimes its just too late, or not the proper action to stop..

micro drones pose less risk of damage than a frisbee.
No

This whole trappy thing is about if drones are classified as real airplane

My understanding is even micro drones fall into real plane by definition

So the drone operator who flew into traffic and caused rear end is at fault

Little animals was bad example but just used as red herring


Moral of the story is micro drones have to be flown safely
Or else you can get $10000 fine
David22 is offline Find More Posts by David22
Reply With Quote
Old Today, 01:50 PM
Registered User
Joined Nov 2012
1,455 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by David22 View Post
No

This whole trappy thing is about if drones are classified as real airplane

My understanding is even micro drones fall into real plane by definition

So the drone operator who flew into traffic and caused rear end is at fault

Little animals was bad example but just used as red herring


Moral of the story is micro drones have to be flown safely
Or else you can get $10000 fine
Trappy was not flying a micro drone. I agree with the FAA's position regarding Trappy's flight.

You are trying to say that micro drones pose a risk. They do not.

You gave an example and indicated that a micro drone operator would be 'legally' at fault. That also is not true in the example you gave. It is the responsibility of the motor vehicle operator to have proper distance and attention to the car in front of them to stop in time to avoid a collision. This is how the laws are in my state, and I think in most states in the USA. Maybe in Canada the vehicle laws are different. This matter would be left up to local law enforcement in the USA and not the FAA.

If you want to discuss Trappy's case, it is different and did not involve a micro drone.
InFocus is offline Find More Posts by InFocus
Reply With Quote
Old Today, 01:57 PM
BEOWULF
North vancouver, B.C. Canada
Joined Apr 2008
18,827 Posts
Well trappy says his drone is safe and posses no risk

He argue just as you that it's safe foam drone

Just like you and others say mini drones are no risk

This is why there should be same rules for all drones so no confusion can be argued
David22 is offline Find More Posts by David22
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Similar Threads
Category Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Discussion National Jewish Democratic Council denounces Rand Paul’s CPAC straw poll victory Broken Wings Life, The Universe, and Politics 46 Mar 20, 2013 03:45 PM
Discussion 2008 Camapaign Fined $375,000 LcJ Life, The Universe, and Politics 2 Jan 05, 2013 12:08 PM
Rant 24,000 files hacked from the Pentagon..it's likely the Chinese.. SKYPILEIT Life, The Universe, and Politics 11 Jul 16, 2011 09:54 AM
Discussion $10,200,000,000,000.00 in global borrowing FireryPhoenix Life, The Universe, and Politics 6 Nov 09, 2010 01:07 AM
Sold 2 2s 10,000 packs or 1 4s 10,000 pack Dan777 Aircraft - Electric - Batteries & Chargers (FS/W) 2 Sep 15, 2007 03:44 PM