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Old Nov 20, 2006, 08:17 PM
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Aero Ace to B-25

I have been watching them fly and reading about the many different ways people have been enjoying the Aero Ace offerings. I finally decided to take the plunge in an effort to realize a long time goal to have a small B-25. The B-25 has been a long time favorite airplane of mine. At any rate, I finally took the plunge and bought the only Aero Ace my local Toys R Us had on the shelf. I flew it a few times to get the feel for the little bird and then removed the components for my B-25 project.

The result is shown in the photos. The B-25 is based on my rubber powered No-Cal plan and is made from 1/32" balsa that has been run through my HP 1120 inkjet printer. The wing span is 16". The fuselage, nacelles, and fins are double laminations so each side can have printing. The flying weight of the original Aero Ace was 23.8 grams. The finished B-25 came in at 18 grams.

She flies great. My only problem is the low end of the throttle range is just a bit too much power to allow level flight. It wants to keep climbing. Outdoors that is not too bad, but I intend to fly this bird indoors as well. I can kill altitude by holding a tight left turn but I fear it will wander when flown inside and will probably hit the walls. Time will tell. This was a fun short term project and looks like it will provide plenty of flying enjoyment. The plan for my rubber powered B-25 can be found on my web site at http://www.parmodels.com.

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Old Nov 20, 2006, 08:28 PM
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I like it!!! It looks pretty cool. Keep up the good work!

Post a vid if you can!!

By the way, what is it made out of??? it it is made out of foam the ny oucould enter it into the "foam plate cook up". I think they are choosing winners in the next month or so!
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Old Nov 20, 2006, 08:43 PM
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Paul!
Great model!

And highly amusing to find that another long-time FF modeler, like me,
has gone to the dark side of the force... No, not That! RC?!!!

But it is a bunch of fun to putt around indoors and not have to worry
all that much about hitting the walls and girders..

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Old Nov 20, 2006, 09:09 PM
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Post a vid if you can!!

By the way, what is it made out of??? ...
It is made from 1/32" balsa sheet. No foam in this one so it can't participate in the foam plate cook up. I will get some video as soon as I can. Probably in several days.

Del, thanks for the complements. It is a nice companion to my Free Flight models. I'm having fun converting my Free Flight No-Cal models to R/C. Makes it easier to blend in on indoor nights .

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Old Nov 20, 2006, 09:13 PM
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I perefer balsa also over foam plates for the AA gear!!!
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Old Nov 20, 2006, 09:20 PM
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But it is a bunch of fun to putt around indoors and not have to worry
all that much about hitting the walls and girders..

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But Del, that is what steering poles and balloons are for!

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Old Nov 21, 2006, 02:02 AM
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Paul,
That is an absolutely stunning B-25 job! Very well done!!! I am impressed and realy hope to build one of my own.
I am a bit unclear about your comments on using your printer. What exactly did you do/use it for?
I have 2 aero aces just collecting dust in the closet that would love to become a B-25. Please, any pointers and help to get me going would be most appreciated.
Again, great job.
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Old Nov 21, 2006, 05:28 AM
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I got the plans for this one too, allthough I have yet to try printing on tissue or balsa! The 18 grm all up weight is nice with the AA gear.
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I'm currently working on a depron version of my B-25 for the Aero Ace kit, will post alternative plans (to the balsa) once complete...

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=587100
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One note of interest that Paul did not mention is the fact that the AA electronics are used "bone stock". No modifications are required. I was a witness to the first flights of Paul's B-25 and can confirm that it's a winner. Watching it banking into the sunset a short distance away gave me the feeling I was watching a full scale B-25.

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Old Nov 21, 2006, 08:22 AM
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Paul,
... I am a bit unclear about your comments on using your printer. What exactly did you do/use it for?
I have 2 aero aces just collecting dust in the closet that would love to become a B-25. Please, any pointers and help to get me going would be most appreciated.
Again, great job.
Ken
Ken - I use the printer to apply the graphics directly to the balsa sheet. This process requires a printer that has an option for running stock straight through the printer as opposed to wrapping around the rollers. I have a description of the process I use on my web site under the Techniques and Reference section (http://www.parmodels.com). By printing directly on the balsa you save the weight of printing on something like tissue and then applying that to the structural material (balsa, or foam). Based on the way the B-25 flies, adding a little weight by using printed tissue over the balsa would not be an issue. Printing the graphics on tissue makes it possible to use any printer. Once printed, the tissue can be applied to your chosen structural material.

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Old Nov 21, 2006, 10:33 AM
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For anyone interested in building an Aero Ace B-25 from my plans I have set up a PDF file containing the templates and some building notes. The templates have been set up specifically for the R/C model as opposed to the rubber powered Free Flight plan on my web site. Hopefully, this will make it easier for anyone wanting to try an Aero Ace B-25. The templates can be used for printing on tissue or balsa. That should make it easier for people wanting to use foam as the structural material, or for balsa builders who do not have access to a printer with a straight through printing option for printing on balsa directly.

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Here is one I made a few months ago when the No-Cal cook up was running.
Never got around to posting it. Its all foam dinner plate construction with
cheap dollar store or wallmart tissue The wingspan is 12" exactly.
Stock AA bipe gear and 130mah lipo. Modded TX for turnwithout throttle of
course. F.Y.I the AA bipe motors are 6x10mm when the AA jet is 6x12mm.

The real suprise is the tiny P-40 I did. Used a lightened SW rx , 50mah lipo, AA 6x10mm pager with AA prop, Homebrew 50ohm actuator although I wish I'd use a 100ohm on this size. WingSpan is 10 inches As soon as you get the Motor thrust angles dialed in, C.O.G perfect, and cut down the strong rudder it is a real DrEaM to fly. I can get 15min of flight on the 50mah flying the entire time on lowest throttle It gets hard to keep it airborn when the lipo hits 3.30-3.40v and without the LVC built in I just swap lipos and keep flying making sure I never see anything close to 3.00V. I fly in a huge 6 field soccer park and most of my flying is doing figure 8's around the goal posts. Its also amazing that on lowest throttle it gains altitude very good and If you want it to come down, blip rudder one way , then hold it the other and watch as it does insane death spiral barrel roll's and if your quick on the sticks its not hard at all to get it in a straight line and recover. I've had about 20-25 flights on this 10" P-40 po-boy racer until I hit the tool shed in the backyard. The good news is the rare AA prop didn't break. The bad news is the Motor shaft snapped.

My large original scale P-40 is all done. 16" wingspan with SW gearbox combo, 130mah lipo. Full flight report will be in the SW mod thread.

Foam dinner plate cook up.
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...=592167&page=2

No cal cook up and brief build guide
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...26#post6124228

SilverLit SingleWing faq and mod thread
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...88#post6282088
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Here is one I made a few months ago when the No-Cal cook up was running.
Never got around to posting it. Its all foam dinner plate construction with
cheap dollar store or wallmart tissue The wingspan is 12" exactly.
Stock AA bipe gear and 130mah lipo. Modded TX for turnwithout throttle of
course. F.Y.I the AA bipe motors are 6x10mm when the AA jet is 6x12mm....
Nice fleet of "No-Cal" models. It is great to see the graphics from my web site being put to such good use. I appreciate the information on the motors. Since I'm just getting on board the Aero Ace/Spin Master wagon I have not picked up all the accumulated knowledge yet.

As is being demonstrated by people such as yourself, the only limit on what can be created for equipment like the Aero Ace gear is our imagination. You have a great fleet of models, keep up the nice work.

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Old Nov 22, 2006, 12:32 AM
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Paul,
Thank you so much for providing the info and details of your B-25 project. You have certainly done some very creative and solid work. I hope to use you info and create my own nice B-25 and make you proud! My 2 Aero Aces just sit too much in the closet collecting dust. I just don't seem to want to pull them out, but I think something exciting like a B-25 could change things!
Thanks again,
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