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Old Feb 11, 2013, 12:01 AM
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The Singularity / Transhumanism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transhumanism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity

finally got around to watching The Singularity is near VERY good btw if you havent seen it you should regardless of what you think
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Singularity_Is_Near
also a good book thats free called Accelerando is worth reading
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerando_%28novel%29

but Google just submitted there Google glass project to the FCC for approval
seems were are getting close to the Singularity but smart phones already extend our intelligence its just matter of time now and not that much of it ether

wondering any other people here are in favor of transhumanism
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Old Feb 11, 2013, 12:41 AM
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Most people are too consumed by the life pressures exerted by the nitwits in charge to worry about a machine improving its own design. We are all on a treadmill controlled by these idiots. If a machine can change that and terminate the idiots at the top, liberating ordinary people, I'm all for it. I have a feeling machines could end up being just as abusive.
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Old Feb 11, 2013, 05:58 AM
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Proof of evolution?...
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Old Feb 11, 2013, 06:03 AM
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Proof of evolution?...
Proof of Creation?



Fictional books are not proof.
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Old Feb 11, 2013, 10:20 AM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transhumanism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity

finally got around to watching The Singularity is near VERY good btw if you havent seen it you should regardless of what you think
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Singularity_Is_Near
also a good book thats free called Accelerando is worth reading
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerando_%28novel%29

but Google just submitted there Google glass project to the FCC for approval
seems were are getting close to the Singularity but smart phones already extend our intelligence its just matter of time now and not that much of it ether

wondering any other people here are in favor of transhumanism
Smart phones extend our intelligence? BWWAAAAHAHAHAHA!! at the best, thy are tools that make our lives a bit easier, due to easier access to data. At the worst, they transform normal, healthy human beings into rude, inattentive, shallower versions of their former selves...everything on that little screen is about THEM, and is more importtant than ANYTHING going on around them. Like I said, many people don't let smartphones take control of their lives..but some do.
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Old Feb 11, 2013, 12:36 PM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transhumanism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity

finally got around to watching The Singularity is near VERY good btw if you havent seen it you should regardless of what you think
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Singularity_Is_Near
also a good book thats free called Accelerando is worth reading
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerando_%28novel%29

but Google just submitted there Google glass project to the FCC for approval
seems were are getting close to the Singularity but smart phones already extend our intelligence its just matter of time now and not that much of it ether

wondering any other people here are in favor of transhumanism
I'm not sure any technology is near that can (loosely quoted) 'reproduce the function of the human brain.' Scientists are still pretty mystified as to precisely how the brain works.

I also have a vague recollection of someone who did some computations (IIRC stemming from information theory) and found something along the lines of 'for information to live forever' would require an infinite amount of energy and therefore was impossible.

Seems more like Kurzweil is setting himself up to be the head of a cult or something...
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Old Feb 11, 2013, 03:04 PM
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sure are a lot of luddites here
there have been MAJOR advances in brain science in the last 5 years a lone which only goes to prove the theory

and your friend is wrong information does last for ever even Hawking proved information is not lost even in a back hole

there already is a prosthetic arm with a hand that can do every thing your arm and hand can AND it can be controled my the mind of the user
and there now looking at way to attach it directly to the nerves

right now it needs a chip put in the brain of the user

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(Reuters) - A paralyzed woman has been able to feed herself chocolate and move everyday items using a robotic arm directly controlled by thought, showing a level of agility and control approaching that of a human limb.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...8BG01H20121217


thanks to things like Google and Wikipedia "I dont know" became "Lets find out"
with a smart phone you are effectively infinity smarter then you are with out one
then you have things like Google Glass http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Glass
at some point all this tech will merge
heres a neat merger thats already happening with Google Translate and Glass you have effectively an universal translator
that can subtitle people or translate text and signs in real time then over lay it in the Glass AR display
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Old Feb 11, 2013, 03:08 PM
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and your friend is wrong information does last for ever even Hawking proved information is not lost even in a back hole
Actually, Hawking for many years (30 or so) was very convinced that information was lost in a Black Hole. It was Leonard Susskind (and others) that proved that information was still retained. Last I heard, Hawking reluctantly accepted that Susskind might be right.
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Old Feb 11, 2013, 03:10 PM
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there have been MAJOR advances in brain science in the last 5 years a lone which only goes to prove the theory
EEGs are Mathematically chaotic.
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Old Feb 11, 2013, 03:20 PM
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EEGs are Mathematically chaotic.
Functional MRIs arnt
and who uses EEGs any more with real time MRIs ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functio...onance_imaging

we can now see the workings of the brain in real time and at a level of detail down to the neuron
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Old Feb 11, 2013, 03:25 PM
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Functional MRIs arnt
Sure about that are you? Do you actually know what "Chaotic" means in the Mathematical sense?

Without Googling, what are the major characteristics of Chaos?


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and who uses EEGs any more with real time MRIs ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functio...onance_imaging
Gee look, an article from Jan 2013.

http://www.uptodate.com/contents/ele...s-and-epilepsy

Gee, look, another from last year:

http://www.justanswer.com/neurology/...ks-slower.html
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Old Feb 11, 2013, 03:26 PM
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sure are a lot of luddites here
there have been MAJOR advances in brain science in the last 5 years a lone which only goes to prove the theory
You have no proof.

Here are some things for you to consider:

Scientists aren't sure why or how humans feel fear.

Scientists aren't really sure why we need sleep, how much is enough, etc.

Scientists are still "uncovering clues" about how memories are formed.

I would state that as we learn more, we are understanding that we hardly have any idea of what is going on.

In 100 years we might understand how the brain works. But I am unimpressed that a "singularity" will happen anytime soon. But if you want to be a Kurzweil-ian and send him money and love, be my guest.

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and your friend is wrong information does last for ever even Hawking proved information is not lost even in a back hole
Like I said it was hazy. I forgot if it was a sci-fi author or scientist. Dunno.

But think about it for a minute ... if you were to upload your consciousness to a computer, how would it be powered? You would be "immortal" as long as it got electricity, but if the power went out then what?

As I think about it, I seem to recall that some energy would always be needed to maintain the information because without the energy entropy would cause it to eventually decay into oblivion. Still hazy, though.
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Old Feb 11, 2013, 03:27 PM
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we can now see the workings of the brain in real time and at a level of detail down to the neuron

And we have no understanding how all the billions of neurons are connected in order to have a "functional brain."
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Old Feb 11, 2013, 03:32 PM
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and your friend is wrong information does last for ever even Hawking proved information is not lost even in a back hole
Apart from being wrong abut Hawking's stance on the issue, what you just said, does not contradict Cap_n_Dave's post, it doesn't even address what he said.
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Old Feb 11, 2013, 03:32 PM
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And we have no understanding how all the billions of neurons are connected in order to have a "functional brain."

no we have a good understanding of that too
the only thing stopping a functional simulation of a human brain is cost of computing and thats dropping like a rock
can simulate most lower life with no issues cats dogs etc
again your information is about 3-4 years out of date soon a 1-2 months will be effective as long

btw we are above the curve atm as the latest super computer has the MIPS to do a single brain simulation
if you dont think so go to the top500 page and plot the MIPS of the top computers over the last 13 years

OH and this chart was made in 2000 see that 2013 marker year Ray predicted that guess what we got to that point 5 months early...

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