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Old Jul 12, 2014, 11:34 AM
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Am i the worst glider pilot ever?!

Hi guys,

In the past i've owned the 3ch Radian and currently have the Phoenix 2000 and a Radian pro.

NEVER caught a thermal ever.

I've read about newbies claiming they caught some lift with their Radians, but all i've ever been able to do with any of my gliders is climb and glide back down.

Where am i going wrong?, i look for any wing lift etc etc but still nothing. I live in the UK and try to get out whenever the weather is nice enough.

Is there best times to head out? any more tips other than trying to watch the glider for signs? Is the P2k too heavy a glider to thermal with its plastic body?

Cheers
Mark
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Old Jul 12, 2014, 01:05 PM
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Might try some of these

How to Find Thermals RC Glider Tips Easy Method (2 min 48 sec)



http://www.orlandobuzzards.org/?page_id=1657

http://www.rc-airplane-advisor.com/h...-thermals.html

Of course
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1371863
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Old Jul 12, 2014, 01:12 PM
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Old Jul 12, 2014, 01:22 PM
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Low-lying or flat areas in the UK and Ireland (where I am) can be sorely lacking in thermal activity - often because there is so much green I think. You need land covering of different colours and textures to get differential heating of sections of land to trigger thermals. The conditions in the above video you will very seldom find here. Anything in the warmer US states will be totally different to here.

The Phoenix 2000 can be a great thermaller, so don't worry about that.

Try and get some altitude: they higher you go the more chance of thermal activity in the UK.

After you get the hang of it will start finding there is more thermal activity around in flat areas than you previously thought - it takes practice..

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Old Jul 12, 2014, 01:27 PM
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if you fly alone and isolated, here is the best way to go...www.radiocarbonart.com ...Thermal Soaring Training DVDs
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Old Jul 12, 2014, 01:49 PM
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Yeah just fly at a large grassy field, i was wondering if we'd get the same kinda thermals as you see in other countries.

Glad to know on the phoenix, was wondering if its too heavy to be good at thermalling. Although i have the Radian pro which is lighter so sort of keep the p2k for windier days.

If i couldn't thermal the 3ch Radian i wondered if it was me doing something really wrong haha

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Old Jul 12, 2014, 03:17 PM
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Yeah just fly at a large grassy field, i was wondering if we'd get the same kinda thermals as you see in other countries.

Glad to know on the phoenix, was wondering if its too heavy to be good at thermalling. Although i have the Radian pro which is lighter so sort of keep the p2k for windier days.

If i couldn't thermal the 3ch Radian i wondered if it was me doing something really wrong haha

Mark
To be honest, I had a Radian Pro for a bit, I didn't find it good for poor lift at all - you need the standard Radian for that. I haven't had a foamy since for a few years, but now have the Phoenix, and it really is a good all-rounder.

Weight isn't the be-all and end-all for thermalling either, as long as you keep the glider moving so that the wings can generate lift from air flowing over them. Try to avoid "hanging" on the elevator, and flying too slow. Let her loose !
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Old Jul 12, 2014, 03:47 PM
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Yeah i found the original Radian a much better glider.

I think that's my problem, trying to fly these things too slow, i'll get my RP moving around the sky a bit more

Mark
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Old Jul 12, 2014, 04:03 PM
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I would also check your CG on the radian. I don't fly one but I would bet that the recommended CG is making it too nose heavy. Most manufacturers seem to err on the safe side. You might be plowing right through thermals and never see any indicators.

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Old Jul 12, 2014, 04:22 PM
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On my Radian pro im running with the rearward cg of about 77mm (manual says 70mm)

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Old Jul 13, 2014, 04:54 AM
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perhaps vid may help too...


olympic 22-6-2014 (6 min 47 sec)
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Old Jul 13, 2014, 12:58 PM
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For what it's worth, at the local school yard, I've flown dozens of times because it's close. There must be some area nearby with great lift, because it seems there's always sink near the field.
Kinda hard to range out with a DLG over houses, though.
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Old Jul 13, 2014, 03:35 PM
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Hi guys,

In the past i've owned the 3ch Radian and currently have the Phoenix 2000 and a Radian pro.

NEVER caught a thermal ever.

I've read about newbies claiming they caught some lift with their Radians, but all i've ever been able to do with any of my gliders is climb and glide back down.

Where am i going wrong?, i look for any wing lift etc etc but still nothing. I live in the UK and try to get out whenever the weather is nice enough.

Is there best times to head out? any more tips other than trying to watch the glider for signs? Is the P2k too heavy a glider to thermal with its plastic body?

Cheers
Mark
Hi Mark, it takes time and no particulare sailplane is going to "teach" you how to thermal based on it's performance per say. One thing is for sure, you have to be able to recognise regardless of whatever plane you are flying is what that sailplane is doing in relation to the air it is encountering and that is the key. Don't go out early in the morning or very late in the afternoon looking for a thermal flight when the lift ie convection is low, go out say late morning or around noon when that starts to happen and don't expect a thermal right over the field you are flying from every time you launch, in many cases if not most it will be your ability to seach for those elusive thermals (based on altitude) a ways off to keep you airborn.
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Old Jul 13, 2014, 03:54 PM
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Old Jul 13, 2014, 04:38 PM
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Don't expect a thermal right over the field you are flying from every time you launch, in many cases if not most it will be your ability to seach for those elusive thermals (based on altitude) a ways off to keep you airborn.
That is very true. I didn't start catching thermals consistently until I got over the fear of losing my plane beyond the boundaries of the field.
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