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Old Aug 13, 2014, 09:03 AM
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First 'Proper' DLG advise wanted please

Hi All

Back into flying RC after a big lay off designing, building, flying free flight comp models.
I've got an ELF & Libelle which has got the rusty thumbs back up to speed a bit and now looking for a DLG.
My thought process at the minute is that I don't want something that's going to really task my flying ability (or lack of it!) as I get back into this. My thoughts on models are the Topsky 2, Topsky 3 Disser, PCM's Rookie or a Blaster 3. Whatever it is, or alternative, it needs to be light and built down to sub 10 ozs with zero ballast to achieve, I want to just use suitable RC gear to do this. Complicated build don't pose a problem with my back ground. I do like the looks of the Rookie as it's something I can get my teeth into but is it suitable for the stage I'm at? Any and all advise appreciated.

Tony
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Old Aug 13, 2014, 12:04 PM
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The price of a Blaster (3) got bumped up significantly lately. Of all three it's still the easiest build though... Besides a few other DLG's I also own a Rookie and can highly recommend it. It's not a launch monster compared to other top competition ships but in my experience it finds lift almost itself, is very manoeuvrable and durable. I also like the looks a lot - in times of full carbon it has some kind of classy look but is not old school. Of course it not the newest design but still serves me well as an an all purpose DLG.
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Old Aug 13, 2014, 08:06 PM
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The Neo or Zen would be good choices and you'll find them here.

http://flightcomp.com/

The other that comes to mind is the Arrow 5 and can be found here.

http://www.pacificgliderworks.com/
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Old Aug 13, 2014, 09:28 PM
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Blasters are far and away the best first serious DLG. They are not the cheapest but you won't be unhappy with it... I loved mine and I've never talked to anyone that had one that didn't feel the same way. You might not see the top guys buying them anymore but it's a very capable plane and the perfect stepping stone at your stage of DLG flying, IMHO.
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Old Aug 14, 2014, 07:15 AM
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Tony:

I agree with Mr. Wiz, that the Blaster 3 is a fine DLG for some one already able to launch and fly. The difference between the B3 and the Libelle will leave you amazed.

I've had Seba's products, though neither a Neo or Zen. However, Seba's products are first-rate, and I would only expect the best from him.

Check out www.Soaring.usa They market an airplane called a Dart that I have experience with. It turned out to be well-designed, excellent fit-and-finish, rigid and rugged. Good value for sure.

Good luck.

Yours, Greg
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Old Aug 14, 2014, 07:43 AM
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Arrow 5 has my vote. Durable and flies excellent. Easy to see with the color scheme.
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Old Aug 14, 2014, 08:50 AM
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I see you want a 9 oz plane? That's not a bad goal for light morning air. A blaster wing is fragile. Maybe your rc skills are up to the risks of a full price new ship. But consider used and 10 oz at half price RTF. Then go for your top ship. These are exciting times as to all the DLG's that are now available, compared to 14 months ago. Waiting 6 months may open up several new ship options
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Old Aug 14, 2014, 10:24 AM
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Thanks everyone certainly food for thought, if I had the bucks I'd buy them all lol decisions decisions decisions and a slightly off topic question. As I make, or did until recently, carbon FF models are vac bagged glass carbon foam wings exceptable these days or would I have to go down the CNC route. I know what I'm like once I get the bug I'll design my own!
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Old Aug 14, 2014, 10:37 AM
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Just to add a little more info on the Blaster recommendation I made above. The Blaster is now into version 3.5. As such, it only comes with a full spread tow wing which is not overly fragile like the B3 glass wing was. Also it comes with the same tails that are on the Snipe which is a big improvement. I have a friend that just got a B3.5 after flying a Neo and a Valodol and I know he really likes his Blaster 3.5. It truly is a great plane!
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Old Aug 14, 2014, 01:06 PM
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... are vac bagged glass carbon foam wings exceptable these days or would I have to go down the CNC route.
I think that bagged wings are not so trendy, but if you look at the Arrows 5 thread you will find a lot of enthusiasm for just such an 'old school' DLG. If that's where you're building skill lies, then if I were in your position I would be looking at building wings and tails for myself. Fuselages too.

Go for it !

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Old Aug 14, 2014, 01:08 PM
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buy one of Eitan fuses and bag a wing and tails.... making and flying my own DLG is on my bucket list. And just imagine how Joe W feels with the success of his baby.
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Old Aug 15, 2014, 04:38 AM
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Thanks everyone. I can certainly make wings and tail feathers vac bagged with foam, rohacell, balsa, glass, carbon, hybrid materials etc, used to doing this. I have about 4000 airfoils but mainly FF. I have all the AG series but not the latest DLG ones knocking about so if anyone can point me in the right direction that would be good. I have X Foil as well, Profili Pro, Compufoil and CAD programmes. I haven't a clue what RE DLG's run at or what new wing foils work including the tail feathers, I use assymetic tail feathers on some of my FF models so I get all of this. Buying in a fuselage is a good idea though. I suppose the quick learning route would simply be to copy a current model and then go on from there. That's what most of us do anyway I guess, well I do and then adapt it!
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Old Aug 15, 2014, 07:54 AM
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Hi again. I'm probably going to go with Topsky 2 or 3 Disser. Cost isn't a factor it's just that I want to try a few things so advise appreciated.

Which ever variant I choose it needs to lose weight. I intend to use RC gear to achieve the correct CG with no ballast. Here are some details of my plan so far so please chirp in:

Hyperion servos all round. DS09, but which ones the SCD or SMD? Lipo RX pack with regulator.
Top drive aileron flap linkage, cleaner aerodynamics
Torsion spring and thread rudder elevator linkages. Can the Topsky tail feathers take the strain or do I need to make replacements. The latter isn't a problem. If so does anyone know the airfoils. Also are the servo's appropriate.
Shorten the boom. But by what length as the build threads suggest quite a few.
Is the boom stiff enough? If not I have two choices, reinforce with tow or roll my own.

I want zero or minimum slop in all linkages

I can't find much details about appropriate CG's with a shorter boom or what control setup's everyone is using. Launch, camber, flap etc

Tony
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Old Aug 15, 2014, 08:39 AM
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Blasters are far and away the best first serious DLG. They are not the cheapest but you won't be unhappy with it... I loved mine and I've never talked to anyone that had one that didn't feel the same way. You might not see the top guys buying them anymore but it's a very capable plane and the perfect stepping stone at your stage of DLG flying, IMHO.
By far, the blaster 3! Someone mentioned that the price went up. It did, but only because the wing is now full spread tow carbon. So it's basically the blaster 3st now, and I believe the blaster 3st has always been about $500.
The blaster is just way too easy to build and flies too darn good not to put it at the top of your list.
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Old Aug 15, 2014, 09:09 AM
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You may have a problem using the ds09 in the fuse. They may not fit. Look for other servos like the jr 285 or HS 5045 or the futaba 3114. The blaster is based on the AG airfoils and most others are zone 2 based airfoils. If you want a floater get the Blaster. If you want a DLG that can range far get a zone 2. The topsky is a very good start. No problem getting slop free controls if done right. Getting the weight under 290 will be difficult unless you go rudderless.
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