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Old Jul 26, 2014, 10:59 PM
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Well…………….

It LOOKS like it'll fly. Depends on how good 'Bernie' pilots her.
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Old Jul 27, 2014, 02:14 PM
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Took this picture today at the field. Also took some video but have never uploaded that before. As soon as I get it worked out, I'll post it.

The white N numbers on the wing really help with orientation at distance.
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Old Aug 08, 2014, 08:39 PM
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Have been dreading the build since following this thread -- NO problems tho -- 1 week of evenings to prep = maybe they have an updated release of kit?? Granted --- of 8 or so arf's l've had from eflite and hangar9 this is the poorest quality of airframe and hardware. BUT no problems -- glued a couple of joints on fuse, just didnt even bother with hardware for landing gear and struts - just used own on hand (dubro 893 nice and tight - and look good too). Wheel pants pre-drilled - no problem. Windshield tucked tightly into place between cowl and wing, no glue reqd -- so l do have access to cabin. Covered wing joints to fuse with black electrical tape -- looks good especially flying - breaks up all red on top of wing when pulling up and away. Cowl mounted ok -- stripes not even off 1/8" and again used own hardware (pic makes stripes look worse than actual -- but dont notice flying by). Had to open up servo bays in wing to fit HK servo's. Did NOT have to iron the covering at all - in perfect condition. Mounted HK G10 motor no problems = lots of power and very affordable. Made lite ply battery tray (thanks to thread) with velcro buttons and straps for battery -- push all way forward and balanced perfectly. Wheel pants ok on mid-length grass, std wheels. First flight -- up and away - no trimming necessary. Flies very realistically, not super fast (11x7). ONLY real problem is slight elevator flutter at high speed -- found joint in stab not glued properly allowing flutter -- injected some CA and ok but still did it on later flight so have to check rest/all joints in stab again yet. OVERALL - quite pleased with plane (not as much as Taylorcraft) and way it performs. Not my favourite yet but only 7 flights so far.
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Old Aug 09, 2014, 04:43 PM
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Have been dreading the build since following this thread -- NO problems tho -- 1 week of evenings to prep = maybe they have an updated release of kit?? Granted --- of 8 or so arf's l've had from eflite and hangar9 this is the poorest quality of airframe and hardware. BUT no problems -- glued a couple of joints on fuse, just didnt even bother with hardware for landing gear and struts - just used own on hand (dubro 893 nice and tight - and look good too). Wheel pants pre-drilled - no problem. Windshield tucked tightly into place between cowl and wing, no glue reqd -- so l do have access to cabin. Covered wing joints to fuse with black electrical tape -- looks good especially flying - breaks up all red on top of wing when pulling up and away. Cowl mounted ok -- stripes not even off 1/8" and again used own hardware (pic makes stripes look worse than actual -- but dont notice flying by). Had to open up servo bays in wing to fit HK servo's. Did NOT have to iron the covering at all - in perfect condition. Mounted HK G10 motor no problems = lots of power and very affordable. Made lite ply battery tray (thanks to thread) with velcro buttons and straps for battery -- push all way forward and balanced perfectly. Wheel pants ok on mid-length grass, std wheels. First flight -- up and away - no trimming necessary. Flies very realistically, not super fast (11x7). ONLY real problem is slight elevator flutter at high speed -- found joint in stab not glued properly allowing flutter -- injected some CA and ok but still did it on later flight so have to check rest/all joints in stab again yet. OVERALL - quite pleased with plane (not as much as Taylorcraft) and way it performs. Not my favourite yet but only 7 flights so far.
Congratulations on your flights! It does fly nicely. At least, I think it does.

I know there have been problems with this plane as far as the build goes. But certainly, nothing unsurmountable if you've some experience. Glad this thread didn't scare you away.

This plane was produced in Vietnam which I believe is why the quality is not quite up to snuff when compared to other planes I've purchased by E-Flite and H9. I got a Seagull plane years back produced in Vietnam as well and it's quality was not so hot, either. Maybe China does it better………. somehow?
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Old Aug 10, 2014, 02:02 PM
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update: found a crack on stab in front of mis-glued joint -- flutter must have cracked the balsa in front of what l had ca'd before -- put slit in covering and injected more ca -- all good now -- flew this morn and no flutter anymore on hi-speed (pull out from loops, rolls , etc ). tried the flaps more then before and starting to get used to them, and will add more coupling to elevator. didnt mention -- HK motor slightly longer than the eflite so prop hub sticks out a bit too far -- but again not a big deal. (couldnt use eflite spinner on HK motor - will have to do some rework on that).
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Old Sep 06, 2014, 02:26 PM
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I just learned to fly this year using an Apprentice would the Pacer be a good "next" plane?
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Old Sep 06, 2014, 04:43 PM
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I have only taxi tested mine so far, but from that experience I would have to say no! Due to it's short-coupled fuselage, the ground handling on a semi-hard surface is extremely twitchy. I'm a real taildragger pilot, and I can barely handle it well enough to maintain a straight line.
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Old Sep 07, 2014, 01:10 PM
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I just learned to fly this year using an Apprentice would the Pacer be a good "next" plane?
From what I recall of the Apprentice, I believe it has an AS3X system built in as well as a SAFE unit.

While all that is good, the Pacer is a bit squirrelly in the air due to its short tail moments ( main wing and stabilizer are close together ).

Though, on grass, I have no problem with its tracking straight and true.

If you can set her up properly with light throws and mixes, she can be made to fly very much like a trainer. Mine flies as gentle as can be.

Or, you can set her up to be pretty wild if that's your preference. It's got a wide flight envelope.

The short of it is, I'd have to agree with wmetcalf. It's really not a trainer. As a NEXT plane, if you've not the knowledge to set this aircraft up to fly in a gentle manner, you might consider a trainer plane without all that SAFE and AS3X technology to learn to fly it unaided with all that stuff.

Gain some confidence with a balsa ( not a foamy ) trainer plane designed for that purpose. The PA-20 is a balsa plane. Balsa planes do not fly the same as foam planes in many cases. Call Horizon Hobby and ask what's good for you. They're usually pretty good when it comes to that info.
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Old Sep 07, 2014, 10:01 PM
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My squirrely ground handling was on a fenced AstroTurf soccer field. While I could probably get off from there OK, I decided, for the maiden, to remove the pants and go with some 3" wheels. I can then fly off an open, grassy soccer field and have more room for approaches at first. On the AstroTurf I have to drop over an 8' high fence and round out before reaching the other end. At 7000' MSL my FunCub, no flaps, can take up the entire length of the field on landing, if not perfectly judged. Until I see how the PA20 flies I'd like to have some more space, especially since it's probably going to be a bit underpowered.

I just received a pair of Dubro 300R 3" low-bounce air filled wheels, which I was going to use for the grass field. They look fantastic, but they weigh 4.5 OZs! I couldn't find any info on the weight of these things, so I just took a chance on them. Not going to ruin my weight-conscious build with a pair of lead wheels! I ordered a pair of A-360 Super-Lites instead. Not nearly as good looking, but a fraction of the weight.
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Old Sep 14, 2014, 07:16 AM
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Well, she's ready to go. She may acquire a pair of black stripes under each wing for orientation.
I just ordered this plane from Graves Hobby for $149 and free shipping. I thought it would be a good addition to my fleet to use on windy days until I read this thread (windy flying not recommended). I don't like to subject my more expensive planes to the tortures of the wind and needed something relatively inexpensive to take out as my "windy day flyer".

It may still work out OK since it has a strong landing gear. Might be fun to fly slow (hover) in a stiff breeze.

As for top/bottom orientation, I attached photos of my Samson II bipe. I was going to use black trim, but it just gets lost in the shadows when used on the bottom of the wing.

Look forward to flying this "small" plane.
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