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Old Nov 14, 2012, 09:30 AM
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Hi Guys.
I will use the FW stock shroud and screws with the new cs12 replacement rotor and the 1500kv setup for 6S, the same as V8 it have used.
It is necessary to glue the rotor blades?

Thanks.
The stock FW shroud doesn't surround the blade tips completely as the fan sits more forward than the FW fan. Efficiency will be compromised but it will "work".
Gluing isn't necessary, in fact I have tried both CA and PU with no improvement in failure rate (of the weaker fans). They still fail. If you have the newer stronger type, it should work without any glue but it will need dynamic balancing.
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PS Why don't you simply cut the Changesun shroud to the length you want? I have done this for all my CS shrouds and is quite easy. using a hacksaw and sandpaper
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Old Nov 14, 2012, 02:26 PM
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just got my cs 12 from hobbyking today. blades feel stiff, but the weight appears to be lighter than the 51 g posted earlier. Blades and rings at 45 g / 55g with shaft????
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Old Nov 14, 2012, 03:00 PM
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The stock FW shroud doesn't surround the blade tips completely as the fan sits more forward than the FW fan. Efficiency will be compromised but it will "work".
Gluing isn't necessary, in fact I have tried both CA and PU with no improvement in failure rate (of the weaker fans). They still fail. If you have the newer stronger type, it should work without any glue but it will need dynamic balancing.
Cheers

PS Why don't you simply cut the Changesun shroud to the length you want? I have done this for all my CS shrouds and is quite easy. using a hacksaw and sandpaper
Thanks.
Your explanation is a very large help for me. I get my cs 12 from hobbyking tomorrow. I will cut the CS shroud when I can see that the CS shroud will fit in my Euro without to edit the foam.

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Old Nov 14, 2012, 03:02 PM
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just got my cs 12 from hobbyking today. blades feel stiff, but the weight appears to be lighter than the 51 g posted earlier. Blades and rings at 45 g / 55g with shaft????
Looks like you got the old style...
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Old Nov 14, 2012, 03:08 PM
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Is old guaranteed bad?
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Old Nov 14, 2012, 03:11 PM
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Did you buy the fan unit, or the replacement impeller, "Replacement Blades & Carrier for 12 Blade High-Performance 90mm EDF Ducted Fan Unit"?
I am not 100% sure, but I think it have been the replacement impeller that has been the new stiffer one...
I think we all must be more clere to what we have bought.
I have 2 of the new "Replacement Blades & Carrier for 12 Blade High-Performance 90mm EDF Ducted Fan Unit" and both of them weights 51 grams.
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Old Nov 14, 2012, 03:14 PM
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Is old guaranteed bad?
I wouldnt say guaranteed bad. There are people (v8...lol and many others) that have had success with them.
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Old Nov 14, 2012, 03:15 PM
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Fan unit. Comes as a set sir... not replacement blades.
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Old Nov 14, 2012, 03:19 PM
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Did you buy the fan unit, or the replacement impeller, "Replacement Blades & Carrier for 12 Blade High-Performance 90mm EDF Ducted Fan Unit"?
I am not 100% sure, but I think it have been the replacement impeller that has been the new stiffer one...
I think we all must be more clere to what we have bought.
I have 2 of the new "Replacement Blades & Carrier for 12 Blade High-Performance 90mm EDF Ducted Fan Unit" and both of them weights 51 grams.
So you bought just the replacement fan that comes with the washers... I bought the "whole unit" which is the fan and shroud and mine was the old 45g version. If the fan didn't take out the shroud when mine let go I'd buy what you bought.
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Old Nov 14, 2012, 03:22 PM
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Fan unit. Comes as a set sir... not replacement blades.
He is saying he got this.

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s..._Fan_Unit.html
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Old Nov 14, 2012, 04:59 PM
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Is old guaranteed bad?
As I have stated numerous times, the very early 45g fans have held with reasonable power levels (around 2000-2500watts). the second batch available from HK this summer are not to be trusted IMHO. The most recent weak fan was purchased in October 2012! This batch has since sold out from the International warehouse.
Separate fans that were available this fall (from HK) have all been of the 51g variety.
Fans I have bought from X-flight recently are also 51g type and even the shrouds have a noticeable stiffer feel to them.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news...
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Old Nov 14, 2012, 06:04 PM
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As I have stated numerous times, the very early 45g fans have held with reasonable power levels (around 2000-2500watts). the second batch available from HK this summer are not to be trusted IMHO. The most recent weak fan was purchased in October 2012! This batch has since sold out from the International warehouse.
Separate fans that were available this fall (from HK) have all been of the 51g variety.
Fans I have bought from X-flight recently are also 51g type and even the shrouds have a noticeable stiffer feel to them.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news...
So Stripes...if I order from x-flight I can expect to receive the new version?
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Old Nov 14, 2012, 06:15 PM
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I specifically asked them before ordering mine due to the problems experienced before and was assured the fans were the stronger variety (as they indeed are when I weighed them on arrival).
Can't speak for them other than my recent experience.
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Old Nov 14, 2012, 07:30 PM
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My rotors arrived today, they are notably sKronger than the first versions IMHO..

So are the CS 10 blade rotors I received
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Old Nov 14, 2012, 07:35 PM
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Here's a link to my latest CS9012 powered Venom (X-flight 1600kv combo). I spent two days dynamic balancing this particular unit...
Enjoy

90mm EDF Venom Jet with Changesun 12 blade fan and 1600kv outrunner (5 min 45 sec)
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