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Old Feb 10, 2010, 05:08 PM
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How can this NOT be in violation of the (5th amendment) rules?

http://www.infowars.com/think-govern...years-in-jail/

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Subversives who think government is corrupt and should be controlled by the people face 10 years in prison and a $25,000 dollar fine if they fail to register with authorities in South Carolina, in another chilling example of how free speech and dissent is being criminalized in America.
I hope the ACLU goes after this law. If they do, I would actually support them. Ack who am I kidding ? I guess they are going to arrest the majority of the voters in the next couple of elections then.
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Old Feb 10, 2010, 05:13 PM
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Wow, isn't SC a red state?

Someone must have snuck this one in while Sanford was on his good will tour of South America....
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Old Feb 10, 2010, 05:38 PM
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Not red enough, apparently. And it sure doesn't help to have a governor who's discredited himself due to his inability to keep his in his pants.
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Old Feb 10, 2010, 07:40 PM
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Got a real link?
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Old Feb 10, 2010, 10:32 PM
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SECTION 23-29-30. Effect on freedom of press or speech.

Nothing in this chapter shall be construed to authorize, require or establish censorship or to limit in any way or infringe upon freedom of the press or of speech as guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States and no regulation shall be promulgated hereunder having that effect.
Notice that the law also contains this provision, which addresses Cooper's concerns about the First Amendment (which he thinks is called the Fifth Amendment). But notwithstanding this, the law is still quite scary and odd. It reads like something out of the McCarthy era.

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Old Feb 10, 2010, 10:37 PM
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Old Feb 10, 2010, 10:42 PM
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Notice that the law also contains this provision, which addresses Cooper's concerns about the First Amendment (which he thinks is called the Fifth Amendment). But notwithstanding this, the law is still quite scary and odd. It reads like something out of the McCarthy era.

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FYI the 5th amendment refers to self-incrimination. This also applies here.
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Old Feb 10, 2010, 10:44 PM
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Since you got it from infowars.com, its probably all twisted around to give Alex Jones something more to scream about. Him and his site are garbage. He's so full of himself its scary. He's the big FEMA camp guy. Don't fall into his bs DBCooper, its pretty deep.
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Old Feb 10, 2010, 10:50 PM
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Sounds very similar to the other US anti-sedition laws that have existed from time to time, but which were repealed.
There is still a law which makes advocacy of sedition illegal, the Alien Registration Act of 1940, or Smith Act.

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knowingly or willfully advocate, abet, advise, or teach the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing the Government of the United States or of any State by force or violence, or for anyone to organize any association which teaches, advises, or encourages such an overthrow, or for anyone to become a member of, or to affiliate with, any such association.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_Act

It was used successfully to go after members of the Communist Party. It's constitutionality was tested and the USSC found that teaching as a concept was allowed free speech while advocacy was not.
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Old Feb 10, 2010, 10:52 PM
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Alex Jones is a nutter.

But what a dumb law. Why not make a law that requires pedophiles to register with the state (before they commit any pedophilia of course). This way when they don't register and they commit pedophilia we can send them to jail twice as long! yarrrr
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Old Feb 10, 2010, 10:58 PM
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FYI the 5th amendment refers to self-incrimination. This also applies here.
Which says that you can remain silent when questioned, not that your public or published words cannot be used against you. Not sure how that would be the case here.
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Old Feb 10, 2010, 11:46 PM
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Well, I believe that there are laws stating that it is illegal to promote or support violent revolution. If the state makes you register because you support the idea that violent revolution is a valid option, even if you believe it is only an option after all legal courses of action have been attempted, then it is making you incriminate yourself on official documents that could be then used to try you on the other charge. Fifth applies. You have the right to not incriminate yourself.
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Old Feb 11, 2010, 12:19 AM
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That would mean they couldn't use the registration itself to incriminate you, not that the law would be unconstitutional on the basis of the 5th Amendment. I would figure that there would be little reason to use the registration against you if you were openly advocating sedition.

In US v Sullivan, the USSC ruled that individuals could not refuse to file income tax returns on the grounds that it may tend to incriminate themselves due to illegal income declared on the tax return. The related concept being that if the registrant merely registers as a seditionist, he does not have to include evidence on the form that incriminates themselves on the form. The government would have to discover actual evidence of sedition on their own. In the case of this law, the seditionist would be facing a double charge if they refused to register. That of being a seditionist under the Smith Act, and of failing to register under the Subversive Activities Registration Act. Ouch!
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Old Feb 11, 2010, 10:17 AM
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FYI the 5th amendment refers to self-incrimination. This also applies here.
You are correct, sir. Sorry I missed your point because the OP only made reference to free speech issues.

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