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Old May 20, 2016, 05:49 PM
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MAAA and the future of aero modelling

After reading about the debacle in ANSW on another thread and the final back down by the MAAA council at the recent conference in Perth I thought it appropriate to start this thread rather than continue with the ANSW debate as that has run it's course. It should be obvious to any astute person that all is not well in the camp and that now would be a good time for some soul searching about where to from here.
There is no doubt that aero modelling is alive and well with massive growth expected with the sale of multi rotor models but where will the owners of these models go to fly, my guess is not to an MAAA club but more than likely to the new kid on the block AMAS with it's simplified insurance and minimum of rules or simply not bothering with any insurance because the smaller craft in particular can be flown in confined spaces like back yards.
Fixed wing and heli's will no doubt continue to fly at clubs but the golden age of modelling is over with many older members set to leave over the next 10 years or so, as for so called sport that too will decline as it appears to be only older members involved, just take a look at some of the recent contestants in Perth.
The MAAA can no longer keep funding up these activities at the expense of recreational flyers because they will switch off and go somewhere else for their relaxation.
My thoughts are to start a grass roots campaign to let the MAAA know in no uncertain terms that they must change and the way to do it is to simply drop out for 12 months and get your insurance elsewhere as there is nothing like the loss of members and revenue to make people sit up and take notice.
The recent nonsense in NSW was a wasted year in aero modelling administration because the rest of Australia could not give two hoots about the issues surrounding personalities but would rather see real benefits coming back to members in the form of lower fees.
We should also look at diversification considering the age of our members, perhaps retirement villages with adjoining model strips or joining forces with other organisations to get more value from the funds collected over the years and to think many many members have now passed away after having been involved for most of their life and never seeing any real benefits from their fees particularly if they were non competitive.
As for the current crop of executives in the MAAA perhaps they should all step aside to let new blood have a go, surely they could not do any worse.
All this would not have happened if there had been more transparency right from the start and putting the agenda on the website one year and not the next is just plain dumb.

Now there is a real alternative for people to have insurance without the myriad of rules that most MAAA clubs have, in the form of AMAS who, by all accounts are growing at a rapid rate and I suspect that a lot of their members are new to the hobby, so good on them for filling this huge gap in the market place.

I invite others to post here with their thoughts, hopes and aspirations for the future of aero modelling. What say you Keyboard Kid and GM?

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Old May 21, 2016, 02:37 AM
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Agreed Cranky.

point 1. We don't need to change the MAAA. If they provide a good service they will prosper. If they don't, they wont.

point 2. The MAAA have a captive membership. Most model fliers who attend clubs don't know there is an alternative, or know but cant act on it due to their club committee who will aggressively defend the MAAA.

If all club fliers knew the difference between MAAA and AMAS and were able to act on their own opinion, point 1 above works. As the situation stands today, point 1 cannot work.

Trying to teach the MAAA what we think is a waste of time. However educating Mr Average flier will make a big difference.
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Old May 21, 2016, 03:48 AM
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With $4m invested clubs will want their cut before leaving.
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Old May 21, 2016, 05:40 PM
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well let the 100 or so comp fliers go with MAAA and the rest of us casuals go with an alternative and see how long the maaa dictatorship last .. we are.....like it or not.... funding an elitist group. .......
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Old May 21, 2016, 06:14 PM
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It doesn't matter if you play soccer or cricket or race cars, the lower levels of your sport will always pay for the top players of your sport.
Now that I've said that, why have we got yet another thread bashing the maaa and amas? It's the same people saying the same things time and time again. Do any of you have time to go and fly with all the time you spend on the keyboard ?
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Old May 21, 2016, 07:00 PM
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It doesn't matter if you play soccer or cricket or race cars, the lower levels of your sport will always pay for the top players of your sport.
Now that I've said that, why have we got yet another thread bashing the maaa and amas? It's the same people saying the same things time and time again. Do any of you have time to go and fly with all the time you spend on the keyboard ?
What was that about spending time on the keyboard after you have made 5999 posts????

The problem with your comment about supporting top players is that it does not apply in our case because unlike most sports we do not have any structure at our clubs to support this, we are just a recreational activity with very few exceptions so this needs to be addressed.

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What was that about spending time on the keyboard after you have made 5999 posts????

The problem with your comment about supporting top players is that it does not apply in our case because unlike most sports we do not have any structure at our clubs to support this, we are just a recreational activity with very few exceptions so this needs to be addressed.

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Way you go cranky.

I am sure the Comp fliers can last out for a few years on 4,000,000 invested.

Especially seeing they are old and going to fall off the perch in 10.

Zipper has averaged 1.39 post per day since 2004. And most on slope threads.
Zipper supplies awesome foam cut parts by the way and some of the worlds best slope kits.
Zipper is also an active participant in fundraising for cancer research.

You on the other hand first joined rc groups March 2016 and 96.15% on posts have been on NSW reorganisation. It seems the rest are on this thread.

What is your objective in starting this thread?
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Old May 21, 2016, 10:11 PM
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[QUOTE=HUMPHREY1957;34831841]Way you go cranky.

I am sure the Comp fliers can last out for a few years on 4,000,000 invested.

Especially seeing they are old and going to fall off the perch in 10.

Zipper has averaged 1.39 post per day since 2004. And most on slope threads.
Zipper supplies awesome foam cut parts by the way and some of the worlds best slope kits.
Zipper is also an active participant in fundraising for cancer research.

You on the other hand first joined rc groups March 2016 and 96.15% on posts have been on NSW reorganisation. It seems the rest are on this thread.

What is your objective in starting this thread?[/QUOTE

The existing post re ANSW debacle has run it's course as stated above but with some of the points raised it is obvious that there unhappy members Aus wide so hence the need to have a specific thread that is pertinent to all to explore ways in which to improve the lot of recreational flyers.

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As proven in past threads, it really is a waist of time stirring the pot re MAAA and AMAS on RCG. You are always going to get the MAAA supporters bashing AMAS and the AMAS supporters bashing the MAAA.
If you want to make a difference then you need to lobby your club, if they don't want to change then maybe you should.
So please stop filling up the Australian section of RCgroups with all this bickering and back stabbing, and tell us about the next plane you are about to build (that's if you even fly) or what your having trouble with that the masses of experience that exists on here could help you with. That's what RCGroups is about.
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Good points Zipper. But if I can adjust them slightly. From reading through previous threads on rcg....
AMAS supporters bash the MAAA organisation
MAAA supporters bash the AMAS supporters
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Old May 22, 2016, 03:42 AM
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I don't think it's a "waist" of time to discuss matters that affect us all. Given there are no genuine avenues for an affiliate member to voice his or her opinion, this sub section of the forum has become a Clayton's conference .

As has been discussed previously, if the topic does not interest you simply move along to a topic that does.
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Old May 22, 2016, 05:53 AM
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Old May 22, 2016, 05:56 AM
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Now Now Geoff, no need to put yourself down like that...
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Glad to see you've arrived, Geoff.
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Old May 22, 2016, 08:32 AM
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What a waste of time writing such rubbish, if you don’t like what the MAAA do then join the other camp and go fly, seems simple.

as for saying the MAAA should step down I believe that happens regularly at AGMs and new people are elected or re-elected, you could always have a go if you feel you are good enough and not just a key board worrier
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