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Old May 05, 2016, 09:20 AM
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Why are DLGs so expensive? Part II

Any time a thread is closed down after just a few days I have an unquenchable desire to open a part 2 thread.





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Old May 05, 2016, 09:24 AM
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I think it showed the intentions of the first thread on how it was ended.
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Old May 05, 2016, 09:24 AM
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So much for the last word. LOL
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This is why we keep you around Ryan
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Old May 05, 2016, 09:28 AM
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Yeah, wait! I didn't get to show my a$$ yet!

Ok, I feel better now.

I love DLGs and I love this forum.

We're all pretty much nerds of a feather, just throwing that out there for perspective.

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Old May 05, 2016, 09:28 AM
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I think it showed the intentions of the first thread on how it was ended.
There was a lot of good info being shared by you and some other folks.

And still some potential for good comedy.


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Old May 05, 2016, 09:43 AM
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Conspiracy theories about DLG overlords. Tee hee hee. Too bad they live in the shadows and you can' talk to them or get them to answer your questions. Oh wait that's you guys....
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Old May 05, 2016, 09:45 AM
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I think the premise was if this and that, the prices would be cheaper and if we'd all just cooperate to make this and that happen, then top line DLGs would be cheaper. The problem is that's just wishful thinking and not reality.

We've been down this line of discussion a number of times here at RCG and that's why some of the comments were what they were. They weren't a personal slam so much as an expression of frustration.

The idea that DLG prices are "artificially high" can be just as insulting to the guys here that make them as anything anyone else in that thread said but those of us that have been here in online discussions for awhile have grown a thicker skin. We understand that you need to give people the benefit of the doubt when not speaking to them in person. Too much is lost without voice inflections and facial expressions.

The lesson here is that this is a friendly group, by in large. Don't let yourself get too easily offended and don't be offensive when communicating with someone here. This goes for more people than just those involved in THIS discussion.
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Old May 05, 2016, 09:50 AM
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First let me say that I worked at Grumman's Advanced Composite's Facility for 27 year's so I think I know what I'm talking about. After some mistake in a lay-up, whatever it might be we'd just make another hey the government was paying for it. Make a mistake in manufacturing any composite glider and the builder is paying for it. So the model has to be right the first time. And then there's the money for the raw material and it's storage. This list could go on but I think you get the point.
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I think the premise was if this and that, the prices would be cheaper and if we'd all just cooperate to make this and that happen, then top line DLGs would be cheaper. The problem is that's just wishful thinking and not reality.
He apparently wasn't around when I shared all of my methods, my toolpaths, my videos, and even my molds with several people (Jeff, Austin, Phil and others) to try to get people making interoperable parts to build these things.

I even shared my whole last design. *sigh again*
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He apparently wasn't around when I shared all of my methods, my toolpaths, my videos, and even my molds with several people (Jeff, Austin, Phil and others) to try to get people making interoperable parts to build these things.

I even shared my whole last design. *sigh again*
Nope. Not enough. I can't make a dlg for <500$ without giving my time away using your methods. Try harder Tom. Try Harder.
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Old May 05, 2016, 10:06 AM
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The problem is that's just wishful thinking and not reality.
I don't think we have scratched the surface yet on the non reality portion.

Speaking of which, the OP of the other thread said something in a later post that gave me an idea that I think could net us RTF Snipe quality DLGs for 1-200.


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Hey thanks for starting another thread. Like many here I have been flying RC (And FS) all of my life. Till recently Ive flown mostly at the sport level and sent an email about the high cost of RC gliders to one of the Soaring editors at AMA. His response surprised me because he compared the cost of competitive designs from the 80s with prices today and (Adjusted for wages and inflation of course) RC Soaring is actually GETTING CHEAPER. Granted, it is tuff to spend a grand on a 1.5M glider when a 3M ship is not that much more. I think this shows where much of the R&D and advances are in the sport of RC Soaring.
I liken this to FS soaring where a current racing ship costs as much as a house in many parts of the country (Ask how I know this). FS is a cottage industry (280-300 units a year worldwide) and labor intensive with R&D cost spread over limited production, Just like RC.
Another parallel between FS and RC is that flying a late model FS is like throwing a Snipe, Right away you know where your money went
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IMO itīs nearly the same work needed whether you build a 1.5m DLG or a 3m F3X composite plane. A few bucks less for material and the mold. If you canīt change the technology really significant in terms of more output and less costs, why should prices go down.
Everyone who has designed and build a complete plane knows how many hours are needed, before you can start building. Do you want to work for 20$ per hour???

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